Sheffield VS Newcastle Diamonds, SGBCL, THU 16/08/18 @ 7:30pm

[The Third Man]

8 minutes ago, spin king junior said:

What a clown. You're making an absolute baseless and frivolous accusations that riders aren't getting paid. You're clearly either 1. A troll or 2. A moron. possibly both. I'm not blind to see that something's gone wrong this season and the promotion has to shoulder some of the blame. If I'm honest, one thing I am sick of is the promotion labelling fans who have gone genuie complaints as keyboard warriors and not having the back bone to take criticism.

 

But I sort of get it when idiots are throwing stupid accusations like this around. It's like last season when people genuinely accused the promotion of throwing the Leicester meeting. It was completely baseless and didn't make any sense whatsoever. Much like if people are seriously suggesting the riders aren't being paid, you seriously think that would be kept quiet in this day and age?

couldn't agree more, if people cant back up their accusations they need to be quiet

[Pinny]

14 minutes ago, spin king junior said:

What a clown. You're making an absolute baseless and frivolous accusations that riders aren't getting paid. You're clearly either 1. A troll or 2. A moron. possibly both. I'm not blind to see that something's gone wrong this season and the promotion has to shoulder some of the blame. If I'm honest, one thing I am sick of is the promotion labelling fans who have gone genuie complaints as keyboard warriors and not having the back bone to take criticism.

 

But I sort of get it when idiots are throwing stupid accusations like this around. It's like last season when people genuinely accused the promotion of throwing the Leicester meeting. It was completely baseless and didn't make any sense whatsoever. Much like if people are seriously suggesting the riders aren't being paid, you seriously think that would be kept quiet in this day and age?

Yes I do think it could be kept quiet, the promoter could have said if you tell anyone your owed money you wont get a thing.

stop being so naive . You make your old man look intelligent.

[andys]

Didn't the Diamonds ride well last night,, just thought I'd mention it seems to have got forgotten about in amongst, the tigers post mortem!!!!! 

[The Third Man]

5 minutes ago, andys said:

Didn't the Diamonds ride well last night,, just thought I'd mention it seems to have got forgotten about in amongst, the tigers post mortem!!!!! 

Yes they did, they beat what was in front of them, very well as it happens, that's all they could do

 

 

[The Third Man]

11 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Yes I do think it could be kept quiet, the promoter could have said if you tell anyone your owed money you wont get a thing.

stop being so naive . You make your old man look intelligent.

Take it you have nothing to add now but insults

[Taylorj]

Are Sheffield trying to keep their averages down with their season nearly over  surely they aren't that bad of a team...last Saturday did flatter them at Worky,  once the rain came in our boys knew we had the 3 points so took their feet off the gas, but they weren't that bad . 

[spin king junior]

24 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Yes I do think it could be kept quiet, the promoter could have said if you tell anyone your owed money you wont get a thing.

stop being so naive . You make your old man look intelligent.

Now then, don't knock spin King senior. He's got 3 o levels. Proper smart.

[Moranboys]

12 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

Yes they did, they beat what was in front of them, very well as it happens, that's all they could do

 

 

so lakeside lakeside,scunny ,redcar and newcastle all rode well and could only beat what was in front of them, well actually, for most part, tigers riders were well behind them.these are teams that last year we were pretty much smashing, particularly at home.with the exception of kyle and to a lesser extent todd and if they would have been off form then we would have been annihilated last night.we did to some extent but could have been even worse.what has happened to the riders gating skills, they seem to have gone awol,for a home team to have to wait until ht13 to get a heat advantage just about sums it up.my verdict on last nights performance

jason-poor night by his standards but didn't realise he is carrying an injury so fair enough.

todd-i like todd but he seems far too inconsistent for me.v.good rider one minute then average the next.

kasper-liked the looks of him and seemed pretty much on the pace.given the circumstances,a fair debut but only time will tell.

broc-looked very handy when he first signed but looks to be a confidence rider and looked off the pace last night.

kyle-what can you say.led by example, attacked the track, exciting to watch.if it wasn't for him...........well

connor-another decent debut, good heat win and mixed it a bit

james-another i like but is frustrating to watch.has the capability as we all know.

i fear for the meeting next week and for once, in a very long time, am not enjoying speedway a.t.m.am not going to comment on who needs to stay but think that to a degree this team needs tearing apart and onwards and upwards for 2019.

[The Third Man]

If Garrity was carrying an injury why did he take the booking?

the injury was not apparent in heat 13, when we had already lost the meeting, either

 

[diamond@heart]

Well to say that result was a shock is an understatement.  Well done to the Diamonds on 4 much needed league points.  My only regret was I was not at Sheffield to witness it.

[Tigerblade]

6 minutes ago, diamond@heart said:

Well to say that result was a shock is an understatement.  Well done to the Diamonds on 4 much needed league points.  My only regret was I was not at Sheffield to witness it.

To use a cricket parlance, the Diamonds "declared" after Heat 12 as well it seemed, you might have got 60 otherwise!

[Moranboys]

1 hour ago, The Third Man said:

If Garrity was carrying an injury why did he take the booking?

the injury was not apparent in heat 13, when we had already lost the meeting, either

 

only what I've read on the posts.apparently his lower leg was swollen and he showed it to jack lee who told him he needed to rest it.

[Charlieboy]

Well done Newcastle fully deserved and made it look too easy.We are really poor at the moment but credit to them.It could have been more.Garritty was poor choice if he was injured,apart from one race he didn't look that interested.Slowed down heat one and allowed Robson a point,he almost broke tapes in his next then only tried on last lap in his 3rd ride.Why not get proctor? Dropping Lasse made no difference as he would have needed a 15 point max for us to just scrape a win .nicol seems slow and lost his confidence,shanes has made hardly any progress this season nowhere near what was expected,Conner looked good last time out and howarth and Kurtz did as expected.Andersson was on the pace but you are never going to get 10 points from a 2 point premier leagu rider.Fair play to howarth and steady for fronting the fans but I think mr bates should have come on the mic and explained the current situation ,he would get more respect if everybody knew the situation.If riders weren't getting paid I would expect Lasse would have tweeted this after his fall out with the club.

[Steve55]

3 hours ago, The Third Man said:

If Garrity was carrying an injury why did he take the booking?

 

 

Money?

[The Third Man]

1 hour ago, Steve55 said:

Money?

If that's the reason, if I was either the Scunthorpe or Sheffield promoters I would be furious

Sheffield because in three rides he went through the motions and only rode well after we had lost the match

Scunthorpe because for once they have a full time tonight, which Garrity must have put at risk by taking a guest booking while not fully fit

 

[StevePark]

19 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Impressed with Tero these days seems to have genuinely improved.

Got to be one of the first names on the teamsheet for 2019, surely?

Well done the Diamonds.  Cheered me up in my hospital bed no end!

 

[speedy bill]

Bring Steady back riding and Jack Lee back as manager ,lets get out of this habit of loosing  

 

[robbieblackadder fan club]

Don’t care what anyone says it was a cracking result you can only beat what’s in front of you well done

[4thbender]

On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 10:15 PM, OdsalBoy said:

OK - Time for an explanation from from the promotion. That was abysmal. 4 defeats at home on the bounce ? Something clearly not right behind the scenes and the loyal paying Sheffield fans deserve so much more. Very disgruntled right now, as i expect a large portion of the fans are.

The Sheffield promotion has taken the usual disgusting step of blaming the paying patrons for the team's current demise. According to Des Lomas in last Thursday's match programme we are "keyboard clowns" who think we know what's best. He says "Sheffield Speedway is owned by the promotion, in particular the Bates family, they can do what they want, have riding who they want, call the team what they want. They put their time and money into Sheffield Speedway, so why should they take unwarranted abuse from faceless keyboard clowns?"

Mr. Lomas, apart from being grossly offensive to die-hard Sheffield fans, needs a lesson in simple business economics. The promotion own Sheffield Speedway and can do what they want? Is that so? Let them try doing it for a few weeks without the fans' hard-earned cash coming through the turnstiles and they - and Mr. Lomas - would very quickly learn where the heart and soul of Sheffield Speedway truly belongs. At least the Drillerman (in the same programme) demonstrates a scintilla of understanding when he writes "It is important to us as fellow Sheffield fans, in addition to promoting the club, to have your support and regular attendance once again." (i.e. Keep paying us your money, even when we do serve up complete dross in return.)

I have nothing to do with Facebook or Twitter, but I do regularly contribute to this forum, which I suppose makes me one of Mr. Lomas's "keyboard clowns." Along with OdsalBoy, graz gp, Blackadder, r8gdp, Spin King, Cue Ball, The Third Man, Tigerblade, Moranboys and a few others, I do regularly have a few words to say about the way the season is shaping up. I have to say that I have never seen the "unwarranted abuse" to which Mr. Lomas refers. I see lots of criticism - most of it warranted (but some, admittedly, less so) and a great deal of good-humoured banter, lots of encouragement and the occasional barbed comment. But "unwarranted abuse"? Never!

If Mr. Lomas has been allowing his gaze to stray into Twitter and Facebook - those renowned dark corners of debasement and heinous malevolence - then what does he expect to encounter other than moral corruption and venality? But contributors to THIS forum are true aficionados of shale: salt-of-the-earth supporters who live and breath the sliding sport. Des Lomas's reference to "keyboard clowns" is just plain insulting and he should withdraw the comment at once and apologise. There certainly are clowns at Owlerton, but which side of the safety-fence are they on? In the words of Stephen Sondheim:

Isn't it bliss? Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around and one who can't move
But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns

Don't you love farce? My fault, I fear
I thought that you'd want what I want, sorry my dear
But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns
Don't bother they're here

[RobHowe]

1 hour ago, 4thbender said:

The Sheffield promotion has taken the usual disgusting step of blaming the paying patrons for the team's current demise. According to Des Lomas in last Thursday's match programme we are "keyboard clowns" who think we know what's best. He says "Sheffield Speedway is owned by the promotion, in particular the Bates family, they can do what they want, have riding who they want, call the team what they want. They put their time and money into Sheffield Speedway, so why should they take unwarranted abuse from faceless keyboard clowns?"

Mr. Lomas, apart from being grossly offensive to die-hard Sheffield fans, needs a lesson in simple business economics. The promotion own Sheffield Speedway and can do what they want? Is that so? Let them try doing it for a few weeks without the fans' hard-earned cash coming through the turnstiles and they - and Mr. Lomas - would very quickly learn where the heart and soul of Sheffield Speedway truly belongs. At least the Drillerman (in the same programme) demonstrates a scintilla of understanding when he writes "It is important to us as fellow Sheffield fans, in addition to promoting the club, to have your support and regular attendance once again." (i.e. Keep paying us your money, even when we do serve up complete dross in return.)

I have nothing to do with Facebook or Twitter, but I do regularly contribute to this forum, which I suppose makes me one of Mr. Lomas's "keyboard clowns." Along with OdsalBoy, graz gp, Blackadder, r8gdp, Spin King, Cue Ball, The Third Man, Tigerblade, Moranboys and a few others, I do regularly have a few words to say about the way the season is shaping up. I have to say that I have never seen the "unwarranted abuse" to which Mr. Lomas refers. I see lots of criticism - most of it warranted (but some, admittedly, less so) and a great deal of good-humoured banter, lots of encouragement and the occasional barbed comment. But "unwarranted abuse"? Never!

If Mr. Lomas has been allowing his gaze to stray into Twitter and Facebook - those renowned dark corners of debasement and heinous malevolence - then what does he expect to encounter other than moral corruption and venality? But contributors to THIS forum are true aficionados of shale: salt-of-the-earth supporters who live and breath the sliding sport. Des Lomas's reference to "keyboard clowns" is just plain insulting and he should withdraw the comment at once and apologise. There certainly are clowns at Owlerton, but which side of the safety-fence are they on? In the words of Stephen Sondheim:

Isn't it bliss? Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around and one who can't move
But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns

Don't you love farce? My fault, I fear
I thought that you'd want what I want, sorry my dear
But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns
Don't bother they're here

I debated your point over the weekend on Facebook with another fan who had a remarkably similar argument to yourself.

So I hope you don't mind if I copy and paste the replies that I made to his posts.

 

"The Sheffield promotion has taken the usual disgusting step of blaming the paying patrons for the team's current demise."

Your opening point is essentially that you believe the promotion blamed the fans for the team's performances in last Thursday's programme. Now without reference to the particular article that has caused you to say this it would have been difficult to identify where your argument was coming from as none, NONE, of the promoters who contribute to the programme did any such thing. As I pointed out to the other fan, the author of that piece is not one of the promoters. And he made it very clear that what he writes in his column is his opinion. So, and maybe I'm - once again - just being a bit stupid here, why is it necessary for you to portray that it was the promotion that wrote the article when in fact it was actually, and with the greatest respect to him, only one of the programme contributors?

And why is it the "usual disgusting step"? When have they done this before? Can you provide examples please as I've not seen any?

 

"Mr. Lomas....being grossly offensive to die-hard Sheffield fans...."

Grossly offensive? Really? How and why is it offensive? It would seem that's its just you and the other fan that have taken offence to what I thought was an interesting and thought provoking article.

As I mentioned to the other fan, in the past I wrote a similar column in the programme of another professional sports team in Sheffield, and I did this for quite a few years. Not once were my words & opinions even edited, let alone questioned. I set the agenda and I essentially wrote what I wanted. I'll wager that this is the same situation here, as many of the topics the author covers aren't based specifically on Sheffield speedway. If the promotion was 'influencing' the author then surely they would be all about Sheffield.

So for me you're looking for something that isn't there. From your previous posts on here you, like the other fan, appear to have it in for the promotion and I've obviously no idea why, but I just think that if people aren't careful then the constant criticism and sniping that some fans seemingly enjoy handing out could ultimately have a serious impact on the future of speedway in Sheffield. 

 

"Contributors to THIS forum are true aficionados of shale: salt-of-the-earth supporters"

That's a ridiculous statement that is just simply not the case is it. Not every fan uses social media - there are times when I wished I didn't! So are you saying that unless you do you're not a true fan? Honestly, is this what you're saying? The other fan with the same argument as you uses Twitter and Facebook - are you suggesting that his point is not valid because he hasn't posted it on here? I actually think you two would get along having the same views and opinions.

The other fan seemed unconcerned about the potential impact of the actions of the fans attacking the promotion, the management, the riders, etc. He claimed that once the figures become unworkable then they’ll end and that it would be madness to continue at a loss as in any business.

For me surely it's in the best interest of every speedway fan to do what they can to ensure that the figures don't become unworkable? To do what they can to help support and promote speedway in Sheffield? And to not look to destroy the club from the inside? From a very selfish and purely personal perspective I want to watch speedway in Sheffield for as long as I possibly can. Ideally that would be right up to the point at which I die or at the very least when I can no longer find anyone willing to take my dribbling, incontinent and incoherent body to Owlerton. (To be fair the latter probably isn't that far away.....) And I will continue to do what I can to ensure that this happens. As we all know, British speedway is in a fragile position and it needs as many people as possible to be working together and in the same direction to ensure it survives and ultimately prospers. And this is why I question the actions of those fans that either deliberately or unwittingly seek to undermine those that put their time, money and effort into running speedway. I fail see what they get out of it other than perhaps some perverse sense of satisfaction that they have contributed in part to the downfall of the sport that they purport to love.

Edited August 20, 2018 by RobHowe