Trees Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: What's race night's got to do with not fulfilling the fixtures?? The club has gone weeks without a meeting then put on 3 in 8 days. We're capable in running meetings on Monday and Wednesday's so not short on available dates. King's Lynn shouldn't struggle to get meetings in and then require double headers. I'm not explaining myself, u know exactly what I'm saying. You also know that not all Mondays and Wednesdays are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: What's race night's got to do with not fulfilling the fixtures?? The club has gone weeks without a meeting then put on 3 in 8 days. We're capable in running meetings on Monday and Wednesday's so not short on available dates. King's Lynn shouldn't struggle to get meetings in and then require double headers. With the FRN it does make it more difficult.You have to really look at the fixture list to understand.With one of the fixtures we had called off in April i remember looking to see when an available date would come up to re-stage it.And low and behold it wasn't until the end of August when both clubs weren't riding in a fixture.I think it was Wolves actually.When Lynn didn't have a fixture Wolves did and vice versa right up until now.So yes sometimes you should be able to race on an off night.This is probably why Swindon have comfortably been getting their meetings in as they can race 3 nights a week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I'm glad the season doesn't run into deepest October..... Saddlebow is not the warmest place to stand out in around October time. Has its own micro climate there and always seems to be 5 degrees Cooler than anywhere else. As for the double header, It is what it is. Buster will be dropping a few quid to put it on. The Riders will be happy as they get 2 pay days in 4 hours. The fans get to watch 2 meetings for cheap money and only have to pay one lot of fuel, one lot of food, one programme. What's not to like ? Seems Like some people wanna moan for the sake of moaning. If the racing is good, what does it matter if its the same team twice ? Most people only go to watch the home riders anyway, so what does it matter who the opposition is ? Come on Guys, get a grip. How much is the entry ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Do you really expect both meetings to have 15 heats next week? I dont, the first one might do and then next will probably have 10. It will be at least £25 to get in, for 25 heats. Not really great value for money in my opinion. Not that i would have gone anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 So £25 for 25 heats is not VFM, Yet £18 for 15 heats is ok ?..... Can I ask what were your maths results at school actually like ? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, semion said: I'm glad the season doesn't run into deepest October..... Saddlebow is not the warmest place to stand out in around October time. Has its own micro climate there and always seems to be 5 degrees Cooler than anywhere else. As for the double header, It is what it is. Buster will be dropping a few quid to put it on. The Riders will be happy as they get 2 pay days in 4 hours. The fans get to watch 2 meetings for cheap money and only have to pay one lot of fuel, one lot of food, one programme. What's not to like ? Seems Like some people wanna moan for the sake of moaning. If the racing is good, what does it matter if its the same team twice ? Most people only go to watch the home riders anyway, so what does it matter who the opposition is ? Come on Guys, get a grip. How much is the entry ? Yayyyy some positives, at a guess Buster, Robin n Dale wouldn't be putting this double header on without having their hand being forced., ie only way of being able to get the meetings on before the cutoff date. We're in a great position in the league and need more points to keep us there, I'm pretty excited about it all, I'm sorry that some of you don't feel the same! The team are happy and give 100%. Wild horses wouldn't keep me away from the double header woooooooo, so what if I start work at 6 next day lol... COME ON OUR STARS Just want to add: YOU'LL BE A LONG TIME DEAD PEOPLE, our friend Star Fever would've been loving it if he was here, remembering you m8 xx Edited August 14, 2018 by Trees 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Trees said: I'm not explaining myself, u know exactly what I'm saying. You also know that not all Mondays and Wednesdays are available. Fix race night is totally irrelevant to the problem we face. It's happened for years. Whether our night's are Monday, Wednesday, Thursday etc King's Lynn always seems to go missing on the fixture list through May and June, just having the odd scattered fixture here and there. This has always been happening. Then once we get into August, a couple of rain offs then panic sets in and double header are required. Fact to count in Our season didn't get started until 18th March due to poor weather. Since then we've only had 3 rain offs including yesterday. Between March 18th and September 9th that exactly 48.22% of 2018. Exactly 20 weeks and 5 days. With the World Cup it's 19 weeks and 5 days. Fixed race night's gives us 38 race night's to fulfill 16 home fixtures. The fixture planning from the club is appalling. If there's clashes with Denmark, who's fault is that?!? It's only the club's for employing so many Dane's. Every other Premiership team manages ok on a Wednesday. In May we had 3 home fixtures in a 5 week month. In June we had 1 fixture in a 4 week month. If we can't get our fixtures in it's only the club's poor planning throughout the season. There's no excuse for rushing fixtures at the end of if planned correctly earlier in the season. Fix race night's IS NOT the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Between March 18th and September 9th that exactly 48.22% of 2018. Exactly 20 weeks and 5 days. With the World Cup it's 19 weeks and 5 days. Fixed race night's gives us 38 race night's to fulfill 16 home fixtures. You're forgetting that each club has to fulfil the same number of away meeting as well, so your argument is way out. The FRN has in fact has decreased the number of available race days by half, regardless of the number of cancellations.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Do not forget we have one less team in the league, only 7 now, and they still cannot get all the meetings run. There are too many gaps in the schedule to start with then there was the bad weather at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, semion said: So £25 for 25 heats is not VFM, Yet £18 for 15 heats is ok ?..... Can I ask what were your maths results at school actually like ? I never said £18 for 15 heats is ok did i? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, therefused said: I never said £18 for 15 heats is ok did i? and did I not state it as a question ? Hence why at the end there was a question mark. Now you have answered and confirmed that £18 for 15 heats is not VFM (IYHO). So How much would you be willing to pay per meeting ? Please don't say £12.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) watching the stars ride against the same team at home twice consecutively is bad enough, but twice in one evening isn't exactly inspiring. double headers against 2 teams is one thing, and there is always the option of a "spare" rider for the 2nd meeting if anything should happen,rather than dragging a national league rider out of the crowd and Phoning his dad to bring his bike over! From a fans point of view there would be more interest if wolves could come back for a double a couple of weeks later . Edited August 14, 2018 by castrolargh 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, castrolargh said: watching the stars ride against the same team at home twice consecutively is bad enough, but twice in one evening isn't exactly inspiring. double headers against 2 teams is one thing, and there is always the option of a "spare" rider for the 2nd meeting if anything should happen,rather than dragging a national league rider out of the crowd and Phoning his dad to bring his bike over! From a fans point of view there would be more interest if wolves could come back for a double a couple of weeks later . Poor planning to be in this position to have to run double headers and even worse to run against the same team on the same night it should also be remembered that we are one club less than we started the season with and I think Rye would have been at KL next Wednesday so perhaps a triple header could have been run - this sport so needs a shake up a 7 team league and struggling to fit fixtures in , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Choosing to not race in the Summer months (again) is coming back to bite the clubs (again). Until this changes, we'll always have that last minute rush to get meetings in. If you don't want to go, don't go! The promoters don't want to run double headers (but at this stage they have to), the riders don't want to race them (but they have to) and the supporters don't want them (but can choose not to go). Sensible approach for me would be for both clubs to agree beforehand to a reduced no. of heats per meeting (11 maybe?), and for the price to be capped at £20 for all punters. We're going to be there for an hour or two longer than usual so are going to buy more beers, snacks and coffee etc. And from a scoring perspective, the averages and results will still all be above board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Thoughts from a Wolves fan.... After another wasted journey, following Somerset (a) rain-off last Wednesday, we stopped in a Pub just of the A14 and discussed the strong possibility of a 'dreaded' double-header next Wednesday. Our ideas for getting the 30 heats run efficiently included:- 1) Moving the starting gate to the other side as it shortens the distance from pits to tapes. 2) Reducing the 2 min time warning to 1 minute. Both teams to agree: Clerk of the course to do his job! * saves 30 mins on the night. 3) First race starts promptly at advertised time. 4) Frank Ebdon as referee. 5) Back-up Medical cover 6) Limited on-track tractor time. 7) Riders to get to the tapes and stay there! 8) Heat 15 line-up to be sorted before heat 14 finishes. ** Team Managers to 'gee;' their riders up. 9) Wolves not to use Sarjeant as a guest! ... yes the 'Church End' beer was good. See you next week for "Midnight In Norfolk". 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, Lefty said: Thoughts from a Wolves fan.... After another wasted journey, following Somerset (a) rain-off last Wednesday, we stopped in a Pub just of the A14 and discussed the strong possibility of a 'dreaded' double-header next Wednesday. Our ideas for getting the 30 heats run efficiently included:- 1) Moving the starting gate to the other side as it shortens the distance from pits to tapes. 2) Reducing the 2 min time warning to 1 minute. Both teams to agree: Clerk of the course to do his job! * saves 30 mins on the night. 3) First race starts promptly at advertised time. 4) Frank Ebdon as referee. 5) Back-up Medical cover 6) Limited on-track tractor time. 7) Riders to get to the tapes and stay there! 8) Heat 15 line-up to be sorted before heat 14 finishes. ** Team Managers to 'gee;' their riders up. 9) Wolves not to use Sarjeant as a guest! ... yes the 'Church End' beer was good. See you next week for "Midnight In Norfolk". Not sure about the 1 minute warning, just put the 2 minutes on as soon as the last rider has left the track and no celebration laps after heats should do the trick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Haza said: Poor planning to be in this position to have to run double headers and even worse to run against the same team on the same night it should also be remembered that we are one club less than we started the season with and I think Rye would have been at KL next Wednesday so perhaps a triple header could have been run - this sport so needs a shake up a 7 team league and struggling to fit fixtures in , I hope the new reduced size one league is made up of only five teams, so that all the fixtures might possibly be fitted into the normal season. Without the need for doubleheaders V the same team which has been proved to be a ludicrous almost unworkable idea. And yes as someone posted, if you don't like it - don't go. I won't be going and I bet a considerable number of others won't either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Lefty said: Thoughts from a Wolves fan.... After another wasted journey, following Somerset (a) rain-off last Wednesday, we stopped in a Pub just of the A14 and discussed the strong possibility of a 'dreaded' double-header next Wednesday. Our ideas for getting the 30 heats run efficiently included:- 1) Moving the starting gate to the other side as it shortens the distance from pits to tapes. 2) Reducing the 2 min time warning to 1 minute. Both teams to agree: Clerk of the course to do his job! * saves 30 mins on the night. 3) First race starts promptly at advertised time. 4) Frank Ebdon as referee. 5) Back-up Medical cover 6) Limited on-track tractor time. 7) Riders to get to the tapes and stay there! 8) Heat 15 line-up to be sorted before heat 14 finishes. ** Team Managers to 'gee;' their riders up. 9) Wolves not to use Sarjeant as a guest! ... yes the 'Church End' beer was good. See you next week for "Midnight In Norfolk". Added on to that: lets say, No 10) We need 3 Belle Vue riders standing by in case of injuries or replacements needed. ( BV is the only team not riding that night.) We don't need long memories to remember the fiasco of last year when in the second match we only had 4 riders.... There're nothing good about 'Double Headers' and am surprised the BSPA have taken this route. Are we to believe then that our two remaining fixtures ( Leicester and Somerset away) are to be solved by doing more DH's . We are planned to race at Leicester on the 27th, no reason why we cant turn that into a DH as well. One question, Why were Poole allowed to race against Leicester on a Thursday (Non FRN), when faced with a similar situation??? They could have had a Double Header when they rode against Leicester 25th July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, g13webb said: Added on to that: lets say, No 10) We need 3 Belle Vue riders standing by in case of injuries or replacements needed. ( BV is the only team not riding that night.) We don't need long memories to remember the fiasco of last year when in the second match we only had 4 riders.... There're nothing good about 'Double Headers' and am surprised the BSPA have taken this route. Are we to believe then that our two remaining fixtures ( Leicester and Somerset away) are to be solved by doing more DH's . We are planned to race at Leicester on the 27th, no reason why we cant turn that into a DH as well. One question, Why were Poole allowed to race against Leicester on a Thursday (Non FRN), when faced with a similar situation??? They could have had a Double Header when they rode against Leicester 25th July. As I understand, any PL meeting can take place on any night providing both teams agree but where there is a d/u rider clash the CH or NL club has priority over the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: As I understand, any PL meeting can take place on any night providing both teams agree but where there is a d/u rider clash the CH or NL club has priority over the riders. Poole just had a home meeting on a Thursday. Handy cause they might of been missing 3 riders the day before 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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