topsoil Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, Shadders said: Maybe my old and befuddled memory, but back in the mid 2000’s when I was up every year for the Rockets Northern tours the racing was better. Two theories? Maybe you only remember the good parts of the meetings, the rest is forgotten? Or perhaps as bikes develop and get faster, the quality of racing deteriorates, especially around fast, narrow tracks like Berwick? Maybe when the bikes were a bit slower, the racing was better? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 10 hours ago, homer said: more likely the Edinburgh lads know Berwick is a dump and an accident waiting to happen Please elaborate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Shadders said: Maybe my old and befuddled memory, but back in the mid 2000’s when I was up every year for the Rockets Northern tours the racing was better. The past is the past and we are where we are with British speedway , also I can’t say I’ve been impressed with other meetings I’ve watched on BT sport etc , so to be able to see live speedway on a Saturday evening is a plus Amd just to mention a terrific win for the bandits last night Edited August 12, 2018 by penchev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, crescent girl said: Well, although our memories are selective, and we think every meeting in our younger days was fantastic - the famous 1981 World Final had only two good races out of 21 - the early years of this century had a situation at Shielfield where visiting riders were much-more tentative at Berwick, and the likes of Makovsky could overhaul them almost at will. Since the track was improved (out of all recognition) the foamfence installed and (maybe most of all) the standard of rider in our league hugely improved, there are less mistakes made, visiting riders are harder to overhaul and although the standard of racing is considerably faster, closer and better, there are less crashes and wild-man overtakes. So, together with our selective memories, maybe Shadders has a point. But it is still the best way l know to spend a Saturday night. You're right that the track is a hell of a lot smoother and easier to ride than in days gone by. The sight of opposition riders failing to turn the bikes going into the bends no doubt provided a huge home advantage, but provided little in the way of a spectacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, topsoil said: Two theories? Maybe you only remember the good parts of the meetings, the rest is forgotten? Or perhaps as bikes develop and get faster, the quality of racing deteriorates, especially around fast, narrow tracks like Berwick? Maybe when the bikes were a bit slower, the racing was better? Think a lot of riders(home and away) seem to give up the the chase after a couple of laps as a lost cause due to speed and slick track nowadays.Riders win by length of strait then same rider gets beat by length of straight( race time same).Explain that to a newcomer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Think a lot of riders(home and away) seem to give up the the chase after a couple of laps as a lost cause due to speed and slick track nowadays.Riders win by length of strait then same rider gets beat by length of straight( race time same).Explain that to a newcomer. Perhaps get the riders to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, penchev said: Perhaps get the riders to explain? Set-up would be the answer no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 13 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: Pijper hasn’t ridden for Edinburgh for years. Yeah let’s give them a pat on the back and say at least you tried. Not the attitude to have if you want to win trophies and we’ve won a fair few take note. To say we don’t give our riders confidence is a good one obviously you’re in the Edinburgh pit every week then I take it. Anyway on to the meeting Erik took 2 rides to get going, josh and the reserves were awful. Need to get out the gate at Berwick and we never done that all, gate 1 one was awful. Well done to the bandits on their victory was very much deserved, reserves won the meeting for them. He rode for you’s last year numpty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 11 hours ago, Rico said: Has that made you feel better after the football? Your continual bitterness towards Edinburgh is rather dull without explanation. Don't think any Monarchs fan went along tonight with any great confidence. Look at the bandits reserves. ‘Look at the bandits reserves’... You have 3 riders who are well ahead of ANY of ours, you can’t use our reserves as an excuseThey’re our reserves for a reason, your top 3 should of all done better and should of been beating our reserves and second strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: He rode for you’s last year numpty Such a way with words. As a injury replacement for Riss so was never getting kept on. Not signed then dropped as the poster was implying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: Think a lot of riders(home and away) seem to give up the the chase after a couple of laps as a lost cause due to speed and slick track nowadays.Riders win by length of strait then same rider gets beat by length of straight( race time same).Explain that to a newcomer. Tell them to embrace the unpredictability of it all 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Deserved win for Berwick - the best team on the night from 1 - 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, topsoil said: Tell them to embrace the unpredictability of it all I'm sure they would not be as gullible to depart with £15 for that kind of entertainment.Surprised by the number of riders that just gave when in the rear last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 6 hours ago, bruno said: My wife's 3rd meeting and she wasn't overly impressed again with the racing although she enjoyed the experience of Cardiff last year,a very gate and go meeting tonight.shame Pijper packed up in heat 15 he was looking good. Only 3 real passes of note. Berwick deserving winners pity Riss took his time to get going but it was lost at reserve. Shame Max seems to have lost he's way he looked like he had a decent future in his younger days riding for us. Big plus is 15 pound to get in,well run meeting just a shame about the lack of passing Don’t think Max has ever found his way to ride bigger tracks let alone lost it. Our reserves were poor and while Josh is exciting to watch he needs to address his gating problems. Points make prizes and the Bandits won fair and square with a great team effort. We need our three heat leaders firing on all cylinders if we want to make play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 5 hours ago, penchev said: Perhaps get the riders to explain? Ricky wells said he never made one change to his bike all night but when he was behind couldn’t catch the guy in front yet when he was in front was miles ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Ricky wells said he never made one change to his bike all night but when he was behind couldn’t catch the guy in front yet when he was in front was miles ahead. Just content that he might make a gate in his next race then!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 50 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Just content that he might make a gate in his next race then!? Basically yes, didn’t gate that was that was the point he was trying to make. Gate 1 last night was horrific if you were off that you stood no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Basically yes, didn’t gate that was that was the point he was trying to make. Gate 1 last night was horrific if you were off that you stood no chance. Victor in heat 1 and Theo in heat 2 seemed to cope ok with gate 1 so it couldn't be horrific? I seen a good few Monarchs gate and go into bend 1 in leading positions and come out bend 2 behind the Bandits (that's where the Monarchs probably lost the meeting with it happening various times). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 55 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Basically yes, didn’t gate that was that was the point he was trying to make. Gate 1 last night was horrific if you were off that you stood no chance. Hardly a great advert for your No1 though is it, didn't make the gate that was that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Fromafar said: I'm sure they would not be as gullible to depart with £15 for that kind of entertainment.Surprised by the number of riders that just gave when in the rear last night. That is probably the one thing that really annoys me, when riders literally give up before the end of the race, I can except break downs, falls etc but a rider giving up is not acceptable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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