WalterPlinge Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Danny Connor said: But what if it wasn't. what if a rider was in a lot of pain and taking banned pain killers (hypothetical) to get him through the day doing his job paying his bills. Many of us have took strong pain killers when needed. Id definitely be more sympathetic then. Before doing the drugs test, the testers ask a series of questions about any recent injuries or medical problems, and whether the rider has taken any prescription drugs or painkillers, and when they last took any medication. So if it was something like that, Boxall would have declared it and then done the test. As he didn't, he clearly knew he'd taken something illegal which would show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Not saying it was an excuse in Danny Birds case, but hadn't his mother just been diagnosed with breast cancer and was in bad health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 17 hours ago, IronScorpion said: What you are implying then is that more riders do drugs. Care to elaborate? I think anyone that has been in the pits on a regular basis will have noticed unusual behavior from certain riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 12:29 PM, Jonny the spud said: Shame they weren’t at this years British final Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 On 8/12/2018 at 7:39 AM, Tsunami said: Not saying it was an excuse in Danny Birds case, but hadn't his mother just been diagnosed with breast cancer and was in bad health. I thought Bird had been on cocaine at Cardiff or something like that? i think it was Smart and Lobb who were on the amphets but could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) On 8/11/2018 at 6:07 PM, Danny Connor said: 2 years sounds fair! i was worried he'd get something like 6 weeks. would have been a mockery. Now people will be assuming this was avoided for a recreational drug. who knows. But what if it wasn't. what if a rider was in a lot of pain and taking banned pain killers (hypothetical) to get him through the day doing his job paying his bills. Many of us have took strong pain killers when needed. Id definitely be more sympathetic then. I can also see why a rider would take uppers pre meeting in a heavy schedule. and downers after if they needed sleep too. it would be a vicious circle though. From a 9-5 perspective its all so simple but i bet when your living speedway and in pain with l ittle sleep and hectic flight schedules it must be easy to stray from the allowed list. In some sports caffeine is a limited drug. meaning 2/3 energy drinks would class as sports enhancing. not all drug offences are black and white There is a reason to why substances are banned. Some improve the person's stamina/strength and etc. Others affect the person's mind/perception in in a negative way meaning that one shouldn't operate motor vehicles or heavy machinery while taking those substances. Alcohol is one example on the latter, some medicines also have this effect. If he is taking such pain killers he should absolutely not be riding a speedway bike against other rider because he would be a danger to himself and others. Edited August 13, 2018 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Pinny said: I thought Bird had been on cocaine at Cardiff or something like that? wasn't there another rider that was also caught up in all this at the time, possibly an Aussie?...or am I thinking about something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 45 minutes ago, Odds On said: wasn't there another rider that was also caught up in all this at the time, possibly an Aussie?...or am I thinking about something else? Think at the time it was mentioned as being Travis Mcgowan. Dont think he actually got tested though, something to do with his back, his bike and a van?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, Pinny said: Think at the time it was mentioned as being Travis Mcgowan. Dont think he actually got tested though, something to do with his back, his bike and a van?! was that the meeting they didn't turn up to?....or am I miles wide of the mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 I thought a certain rider got injured before the meeting unloading a van and therefore didnt have to take the test but then again maybe thats wide of the mark too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 I think we all know who the Ausfie rider was that's night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 23 hours ago, Lord Skid said: I think we all know who the Ausfie rider was that's night. I don't think we all do.... well I don't anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 10:48 AM, Odds On said: was that the meeting they didn't turn up to?....or am I miles wide of the mark? no, they were definitely there, it was a meeting against Witches and a certain rider mysteriously hurt his back sitting in the pits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 2:10 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said: There is also the point of he hasn’t actually failed any drug test, he just refused to take one, we know he is guilty but even in court it would be hard to prove If you get stopped by the Police and fail to give a breath or a blood sample, you are convicted of "failure to provide..." and are punished in the courts the same as if you were tested positive. So if that's the precident, so be it. A bit "guilty til proven innocent" but don't ask me for any sympathy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just think, there might not be any tracks left to race on when his two years is served. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, moxey63 said: Just think, there might not be any tracks left to race on when his two years is served. yeah but he'll be so baked that he'll think there is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, uk_martin said: If you get stopped by the Police and fail to give a breath or a blood sample, you are convicted of "failure to provide..." and are punished in the courts the same as if you were tested positive. Unless you can afford a good lawyer and they will get you off on any technicality no matter how guilty you are Edited August 15, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 The good thing to come out of it, is that he won't be lining up with three other riders for the foreseeable future. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter65 Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Going back years here but when my brother in law rode he was given a little book with all banned substances on plus a list of various things that are in everyday medicines that could be banned and advised to check with the doctor with this list before taking anything.... No idea what happens now but there were always open rumours back then about certain riders and I assume it may still be the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Trotter65 said: Going back years here but when my brother in law rode he was given a little book with all banned substances on plus a list of various things that are in everyday medicines that could be banned and advised to check with the doctor with this list before taking anything.... No idea what happens now but there were always open rumours back then about certain riders and I assume it may still be the same Everything is available online at WADA website and FIM rule book. Medications usually have warning markers if they affect your driving and etc. Medicine are also supposed to have markers but some athletes have tried to use it as an excuse to why they tested positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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