King's Lynn v Belle Vue 08-08-2018

[OveFundinFan]

1 hour ago, g13webb said:

Sitting in the Royal Box as per usual,  we were so assured of heat 1 result we filled in the program before the result was announced.   Such to our amazement,   it really did make a mess of the program having to change it all.   Even when considering our position, there was no denying BV had got off to a flying start by securing  a 5-1.   Riss had battled hard,  but no way did he get that second place.      We weren't to know how important that decision would be,  but when a  meeting is that close , there was always be repercussions of a bad decision. 

Strange meeting, that I thoroughly enjoyed.   It seemed wrong that we were always leading, when for long periods,  I thought Lynn were second best.   Friske, Cook and Bewley  were all on it and scoring points for fun while we were picking up  the oddments.  New man, Erik Riss was a revelation with his battling attitude and his  lay down styling from his 'Long Tack' days.   He will be a tremendous asset in the weeks ahead..  Our top men Lambert and Niels appeared down on pace,  missing the gate and playing catch-up all the time.   Heat 11 was a real wake-up call.   With Friske and Cookie  hitting home  with an easy  5-1 against out top man. The writing was on the wall, now only 2 points in it with  4 races to go.

As in many previous meetings this year,   when we come to the business end, our top two riders rise to the top.  Going into the last race we only needed 2pts to be assured of victory.  When Niels made the gate and Robert tucked in behind,    for the first time all night we knew we had won.   Friske battled all the way  and nicked 2nd on the line.  only for the ref again to make another dubious call.      Obviously pleased we had won, but felt sorry for BV who had battled hard all night and deserved a point at least.   This was  a tough meeting, watched by the biggest crowd of the season.   We are now well in contention for them PO places.    If all the riders can hit form on the same day we are capable of beating anybody.

Whose next ????  

I wasn't there, but read about the refs awful decisions from BV supporters, SO this was very nice to hear it from a Kings Lynn supporter, very honest of the poster g13webb, to be commended.   Something missing generally these days.   Why should a ref get away with these terrible decisions? Why is there not photo finish cameras, or videos recordings for instant replay or to be sent to SCB or whoever controls meetings.   Decisions like this make a big difference to a teams future.  From all accounts BV are struggling financially and missing out on the playoffs due to poor decisions like at KL may cost them dearly - we know crowds shoot up for the playoffs.   Speedway in the UK is on "life support machine", its critical that all teams survive, but fair play, or lack of it, could mean the life support machine being turned off for some teams.  

[Grachan]

7 hours ago, Rob B said:

Yes we deserved a point as the score should have been 47-43, yes Tungate and Drozdz let us down but if the referee can’t do a simple thing like declare the result of 2 races correctly, a Kings Lynn fan (Bagpuss) and a neutral have both said they were declared wrong. The DVD should be sent to the SCB, the score won’t be amended now but there should be a statement about Tony Steele performance and should be removed from officiating.

It wouldn't have been 47-43 because there would have been no Belle Vue tac sub.

If the heat results were as you say, heat 11 would probably have been 3-3 instead of a Belle Vue 5-1. The final score would still have been 49-41.

[ouch]

This wasn’t an error on Steeles part. He knew exactly what he was doing and he’s done it before. 

Saying this, that or the other MIGHT have happened is pointless, we can only go with what did happen and it wasn’t right. 

[Midland Red]

11 hours ago, WestGorton1884 said:

Just when you think this sport get any more 'tin pot' ... Along comes Tony Steele.

Im done with it 

This would be the same Tony Steele that many on here, including professional penpushers, were touting to become the saviour of British Speedway as an independent leader! 

[Phil The Ace]

29 minutes ago, Grachan said:

It wouldn't have been 47-43 because there would have been no Belle Vue tac sub.

If the heat results were as you say, heat 11 would probably have been 3-3 instead of a Belle Vue 5-1. The final score would still have been 49-41.

Ignoring the fact we would still have lost and ignoring the fact which team it was the 2 decisions were down right apalling and stinks of a referee not up to the job. The decisions were that easy to make that I think tony steel should be reprimanded. Lemo questioned both calls and he was told twice that the decision was not even close. Belle vue lads were miles behind. What the hell was he watching 

[ouch]

3 minutes ago, Midland Red said:

This would be the same Tony Steele that many on here, including professional penpushers, were touting to become the saviour of British Speedway as an independent leader! 

That all ended on the rainy night in Manchester with his role in ensuring Poole got the result they needed to make the play offs. It played out in full view of the Sky cameras with Steele looking like a rabbit in the headlights. Thing is he had a job to do and followed it through even knowing the danger he placed the riders in. 

He liked the idea of being a speedway supremeo but after that it would never happen. 

The fact it happened at Belle Vue seems to have turned him against us as he has acted in this way on previous occasions.

Nothing will ever come of it as this is just speedway. The only silver lining is that very few of us actually see this and give a monkeys. 

[DC2]

20 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said:

Ignoring the fact we would still have lost and ignoring the fact which team it was the 2 decisions were down right apalling and stinks of a referee not up to the job. The decisions were that easy to make that I think tony steel should be reprimanded. Lemo questioned both calls and he was told twice that the decision was not even close. Belle vue lads were miles behind. What the hell was he watching 

 

Were you, Lemo and everyone else who has criticised the decision actually in line with the finish line like Tony Steele? If not, any other angle gives a false impression. 

[Phil The Ace]

11 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

Were you, Lemo and everyone else who has criticised the decision actually in line with the finish line like Tony Steele? If not, any other angle gives a false impression. 

No No wasn't but you diddnt need to be. Even the announcer stood right on the start line was announcing belle vue a belle vue 5-1 in heat 1. The kings Lynn fans o  start line said ref was wrong. In fact I bet you would not find 1 fan in the stadium agreeing with referee. They will take it yea. But agreeing to it. No chance. 

 

I've been to alot of matches over the last 30 years and them 2 were by far the worst ref decisions I've seen. 

[castrolargh]

we were standing approx 15m behind the tapes (I know this as when someone goes off 15m they are level with us , and yes max fricke definitely had more speed than Eric Riss, and yes if the finish line was 10m or maybe even 5 m further on he would have nicked it , but I'm not convinced he beat riss, in fact our group were a bit surprised when the man on the Mic called it as a 5-1. same in heat 15. my opinion from where I was standing.

Edited August 9, 2018 by castrolargh
spelling error

[tellboy]

3 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Agree with the above, Belle Vue deserved a point if not more and we really got out of jail. There were obviously set up issues for our men all night, have already mentioned Robert and Niels was quarter of a lap behind in heat eleven.....if we have any chance of winning anything then track man and riders need to be on the same page, we can't go into the Play Offs 'chasing set ups'.

Robert,ht 11think you will find that was Simon

Robin Brundle explained about the track after the meeting,basically he said they couldn't get enough moisture into the track,there was such a strong wind that seemed to be blowing through the track during the day that as they were watering it,it was drying just as quick.

Going onto decisions in ht 1&15 i must admit i thought the ref got it wrong.I stand on the 2nd bend as someone said depending on what angle you stand it can be deceiving though.For instance how many times has anyone been to a football match and seen the ball go out to what you think is a corner and it ends up actually being a throw in.Still thought the ref got it wrong last night

Edited August 9, 2018 by tellboy

[g13webb]

13 minutes ago, castrolargh said:

we were standing approx 15m behind the tapes (I know this as when someone goes off 15m they are level with us , and yes max fricke definitely had more speed than Eric Riss, and yes if the finish line was 10m or maybe even 5 m further on he would have nicked it , but I'm not convinced he beat riss, in fact our group were a bit surprised when the man on the Mic called it as a 5-1. same in heat 15. my opinion from where I was standing.

I think you got that a bit wrong,   Max Friske was not in heat 1,   Erik Riss had more speed than Steve Worrall , and from someone else who was standing in line with the start,   said  he didn't quite make it .   Heat 15  was a much more close affair,    Niels got the Jump with Robert riding shotgun.   for 4 laps  Max was giving it his all.   Robert seemed to have all his moves covered.   Coming up to the line  there wasn't much between them, Niels was the obvious winner, riding the outside line,  but  Robert  mid track,   allowed space  for Max doing the  outside run.   My friend in the Start line stand  said Max got there  by  half a wheel,   a result that would have been just reward for the effort he had put in..   

A 4-2 result would have been sufficient  for a Stars win,   but BV would have got the point the performance deserved.....

 

[Bagpuss]

9 minutes ago, tellboy said:

Robert,ht 11think you will find that was Simon

Sorry didn't make that very clear, I meant that I had already mentioned how slow Robert was and as a separate point it was alarming how far behind Niels was in heat 11.

Thank you for sharing the comments about the wind, can appreciate how difficult that was but apart from rain it should be possible to keep the starts the same every week whatever the weather so we are at least able to make good starts as a matter of course. As entertaining as close meetings are we need to be able to score 50+ at home going forward as that is what other teams do.

[Steve0]

1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said:

No No wasn't but you diddnt need to be. Even the announcer stood right on the start line was announcing belle vue a belle vue 5-1 in heat 1. The kings Lynn fans o  start line said ref was wrong. In fact I bet you would not find 1 fan in the stadium agreeing with referee. They will take it yea. But agreeing to it. No chance. 

 

I've been to alot of matches over the last 30 years and them 2 were by far the worst ref decisions I've seen. 

You are coming over as bitter and twisted with your posts and tweets.  It’s all swings and roundabouts and evens out in the end.  #justsaying

[Phil The Ace]

1 minute ago, Steve0 said:

You are coming over as bitter and twisted with your posts and tweets.  It’s all swings and roundabouts and evens out in the end.  #justsaying

I am bitter about it. And if u read my posts properly not once have I said we would of won or anything but that the decisions were shocking. Worrall needed that paid win. Morally he got the paid win but his pay packet won't say that. Again fricke pay packet won't say that 

[pointsmeanplayoffs]

Another enjoyable night at Lynn, it really got going towards the end!

When you've got the best top 2 in the league coming in for big races at the end of a tight meeting you've always got to feel confident.

Aces were very unlucky not to go home with a point which they deserved.

 

 

 

[Phil The Ace]

33 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

You are coming over as bitter and twisted with your posts and tweets.  It’s all swings and roundabouts and evens out in the end.  #justsaying

Also, of course I'm bitter about it. I want aces to win every match there in. And when we don't I get very disappointed. Nothing wrong with that 

[ouch]

43 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

You are coming over as bitter and twisted with your posts and tweets.  It’s all swings and roundabouts and evens out in the end.  #justsaying

I’ll take heart from that as if it’s true The Aces won’t lose another match this season. 

[John Scrutton]

The error by the ref and he gave the points to Lynn instead of Belle Vue  would have meant that they would have been only 4 points not 6 and Fricke wouldn't have been a substitute in Heat 11 however it still might have a 5 1  but I doubt it.  We shall nevwe know

[OveFundinFan]

Seems to me the only sport I seen that the players are honest and admit what the ref may not of seen is Snooker. Even in the world championship I seen players, in crucial matches, point out to the ref that they fouled ie maybe moved a ball the shouldnt so slightly that the ref never saw it.  In football you get theatrical dives, you get the "hand of god", speedway riders will know pretty well they caused a rider to move at the tapes, or were beaten by half a bikes length..... but don't seem to play fair and tell the referee. Sad, but probably relates society in general to day.… "me first".

[tellboy]

1 hour ago, pointsmeanplayoffs said:

Another enjoyable night at Lynn, it really got going towards the end!

When you've got the best top 2 in the league coming in for big races at the end of a tight meeting you've always got to feel confident.

Aces were very unlucky not to go home with a point which they deserved.

 

 

 

I haven't felt confident in Niels all season.That is his first double figure score at home this season not good for an out and out no1.Signed on a 9.04 now down to 7.15.He still seems lacking in confidence of battling it out with someone going into the corners.