Lakeside v ipswich

[Mike.Butler]

10 minutes ago, marko said:

11 of the 15 races were pretty much from the gate and at least nine were stone wall from the gate not even a hint of a pass being possible, if people want to call that entertaining fair enough, hopefully some cooler conditions next week and a bit more grip so there is more than one racing line.

If that had been on BT Sport, this meeting would be getting Hammered right now, (pun not intended)

isn't it amazing how we see a meeting differently!. I thought there was a lot passing, good close racing and thoroughly enjoyed it.

  

[liam]

16 minutes ago, marko said:

Their was passing in lots of races maybe not for the lead but plenty of passing. Each to there own but I throughly enjoyed it mate. I thought the bigger crowd and better atmosphere probably added to the meeting for me aswell.

 

[Daytripper]

3 hours ago, marko said:

Track too dry, inside line or nothing!

They must have moved the inside line out to the fence when Nick Morris and Scott Nichols were out then because that's wher e a lot of their 13 points each came from.  In fact Scotts two defeats both came when he was off the two inside gates and couldn't get get out to the dirt  quick enough . Nicks win in heat 13 was aff gate 4 and he blasted right round the outside of both Scott and Rory.Alfie Bowtell only knows one line and it's not the inside one  . His heat win was right round the fence.  

I though it was a good meeting myself. Highlights for me were Zach in heat 10, going from 2nd to 3rd, back up to second then  just taking the win on the line, and heat 11 , with Nick and Rory passing and re passing, several times often so close it was difficult to tell who was in front. 

It takes two sides to make a decent meeting and I thought Rory and Scott both rode like the quality riders they are, Scott in particular was in find fettle for a 40'year old.

[Baldyman]

I wasn't there so can't comment on it..but some people class good racing as riders being close all race and some would say that's rubbish as riders can't pass. As long as the majority think it's good and turn up the week after then happy days. I personally try not to visit some tracks , because I don't like what I see, but will travel the other end of the country to what I think is good. We all see and want different things.

[Halifaxtiger]

3 hours ago, Baldyman said:

I wasn't there so can't comment on it..but some people class good racing as riders being close all race and some would say that's rubbish as riders can't pass. As long as the majority think it's good and turn up the week after then happy days. I personally try not to visit some tracks , because I don't like what I see, but will travel the other end of the country to what I think is good. We all see and want different things.

I think there has to be a reasonable belief that riders can pass. If that's the case, then close racing is excellent. If not, then its rubbish. 

The problem with Lakeside is that many are prejudiced about it and that's unfair. I have said before and no doubt will again that I have seen some very good racing there. 

In my experience its better than Ipswich, for example.

[Mike.Butler]

lets be honest..we have all seen good and bad meetings at every track. For instance my last two visits to Alwalton have been amongst the very best and worst of all time I have seen..

[E I Addio]

You also have to look at the context of riders. When you get riders of the quality of Schlein and Nichols at this level of league on an 8/9 point average the chances are there are only about two riders in the opposing side capable of beating them. Scott’s gating in particular was superb last night but the downside is that once he got in front he won by a country mile, and there’s few riders in any team in this league that can catch him on that sort of form. There was no passing in heat 13 after bend 2 lap one but it was a cracking race with Nichols and Schlein right up Morris’ exhaust pipe for the whole race, so that still makes for a good meeting. Ippo are a decent side overall and can justify a place in th3 play offs.

Quite a bit of dust last night which makes it difficult to pass from the minor placings, but dust unfortunately is inevitable when you have 90 degree temperatures during the day. Overall I think the track curator did a good job in very difficult conditions. Despite the dust the track stood up pretty well and the actually surface was pretty good right to the end, with very few ruts. 

Edited August 4, 2018 by E I Addio

[cityrebel]

I thought it was a decent meeting to be honest, I've seen a lot worse. The crowd was up on previous weeks, which was good to see.

[Steve Irving]

3 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

In my experience its better than Ipswich, for example.

Couldn’t disagree more. I support neither club but now living in Colchester and recently retired, I visit both quite frequently. 

Ipswich is a much better race track IMO. Having been to both venues Thursday and last night it was night and day. 

Respect your own personal opinion of course. We all have an opinion and what we see. 

I’ve seen Covatti for example pull of moves at Foxhall in recent weeks that he’d never have a chance in hell of pulling off at Lakeside. 

Edited August 4, 2018 by Steve Irving

[cityrebel]

Like you say, it's all about opinions. I've never liked Ipswich from my first visit there in 1976. Despite the recent track changes, it rarely produces great racing when I visit. Perhaps I'm just unlucky.

[waco]

Like city rebel i have never seen a good meeting at Ipswich in the 60+ yrs of involvement with Speedway ...But then again my visits are only occasional..No track has great racing every night including Lakeside where i do not miss a meeting,,but mostly i think the racing compares favourably with all the other tracks i have been to in my life.....

[marko]

First thing I noticed on getting to the car park was how much fuller it was, it was nice to see the support back to the sort of numbers we have seen in the past, I think Panthers will probably bring a few people next week too, at all helps to strengthen the clubs argument for a right or at least a chance to continue.

[TonyE]

58 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

Couldn’t disagree more. I support neither club but now living in Colchester and recently retired, I visit both quite frequently. 

Ipswich is a much better race track IMO. Having been to both venues Thursday and last night it was night and day. 

Respect your own personal opinion of course. We all have an opinion and what we see. 

I’ve seen Covatti for example pull of moves at Foxhall in recent weeks that he’d never have a chance in hell of pulling off at Lakeside. 

It is his home track so not surprising. I could say the same of Ben Morley for instance at Lakeside.

[Steve Irving]

34 minutes ago, waco said:

Like city rebel i have never seen a good meeting at Ipswich in the 60+ yrs of involvement with Speedway ...But then again my visits are only occasional..No track has great racing every night including Lakeside where i do not miss a meeting,,but mostly i think the racing compares favourably with all the other tracks i have been to in my life.....

I assume you weren’t there on Thursday evening then? Pity, you’d have seen a good meeting (for the first time ever)

[liam]

46 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

I assume you weren’t there on Thursday evening then? Pity, you’d have seen a good meeting (for the first time ever)

Reading the updates at the time it looked like 11 of the 15 heats were pretty much from the gate with no passing? I thought that meant it was poor

[Bash]

The trouble with the dust last night was not surprising as Richard Lawson said the track was slicker than usual so they tried to water it early on in the meeting but couldn’t after heat 10 as it would’ve been an ice rink with no material to soak in.

From an away supporters view there was some good racing usually when Nicholls was involved. Nico tried hard but was so wide he had the speed but was probably riding a lap more than anyone else!!!! Mark Riss was consistent 1 point for Edinburgh earlier in the season and 1 for us. Didn’t expect anything from the reserves. As for Heeps the first race summed him up, made the gate and went from first to last as he was tying himself in knots every corner. You would think with losing his wolves job he has to have a long hard look at himself to get back to what he was doing last season.

Lakeside deserved to win as effectively we were a two man team, but we did miss Connor’s double figure score.

[E I Addio]

3 hours ago, Steve Irving said:

Couldn’t disagree more. I support neither club but now living in Colchester and recently retired, I visit both quite frequently. 

Ipswich is a much better race track IMO. Having been to both venues Thursday and last night it was night and day. 

Respect your own personal opinion of course. We all have an opinion and what we see. 

I’ve seen Covatti for example pull of moves at Foxhall in recent weeks that he’d never have a chance in hell of pulling off at Lakeside. 

It’s horses for courses, surely? There are some riders that perform first/ second bend cut backs at Lakeside that would be difficult at certain other tracks. On the other hand there are riders like Scott Nicholls who has shown in the last couple of days that he is a class act at both tracks at both tracks. That’s what makes the sport so interesting, different riders having different capabilities. 

[Halifaxtiger]

3 hours ago, waco said:

Like city rebel i have never seen a good meeting at Ipswich in the 60+ yrs of involvement with Speedway ...But then again my visits are only occasional..No track has great racing every night including Lakeside where i do not miss a meeting,,but mostly i think the racing compares favourably with all the other tracks i have been to in my life.....

Someone who hasn't been to Belle Vue.

In the 30 meetings I have seen there none has been average (never mind poor) and the overwhelming majority have been outstanding.

Of the 80 meetings I saw last season, 3 of the best 5 were at the NSS.

[waco]

With regard too how good or bad the racing is at different tracks...One things for sure posters opinions are nearly all biased towards their own tracks ..and I do include myself in that observation......

[ARENA SHRIMPER]

First visit to Foxhall on Thursday and was really impressed with the venue. Facilities were excellent and many great view points all around the stadium (watched heats from 4 different places). Whilst disappointed in the result racing was ok but with very little passing (Rory did gain a win and a 2nd by passing Lakeside riders on the run to the line on the last lap however). Last night's racing at Lakeside did have the benefit of some cracking heats (Heat 6 Richard holding off a charging Scott for practically the whole race,Zach somehow winning Heat 10 when Coty who was leading throughout seemed to stop Nico from getting 2nd place a number of times ,and Heat 11 with great battles for both 1st and 3rd places throughout).

Scot was excellent in both meetings (though very lucky not to be excluded in Heat 7 at Foxhall) and Rory did a decent job both Home and Away - Richard was brilliant at Foxhall despite maybe running out of steam a bit and a great return by Nick last night after missing a couple of meetings this week from injury. Adam very solid at home as usual. Other than that both nights we had riders looking far stronger at their home tracks  and a large number of FTG heats. 

All in all a very enjoyable couple of meetings.

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2018 by ARENA SHRIMPER