Belle Vue v King's Lynn 06/08/18

[woodenspoon]

I think similar to Belle Vue Ace, the only three I would want to keep for next year are Fricke, Bewley & Tungate,

Cook is just a gating tart, and rarely overtakes anyone at Belle Vue. In heat 13 tonight he just got in Fricke's way. As we are now unlikely to make the playoffs, now is the time to plan for next year.

Yet another delayed start to the meeting, 8.00 PM when the tapes went up for the first race, management don't give a stuff for the fans who have planned ahead and got there in good time. We might just as well advertise an 8.00 PM start.

[mikec]

Congratulations to the Stars. When it came to the crunch, hts 13 & 15, Lambert and Iversen delivered. Iversen used all his experience & trackcraft in heat 15 to check Bewley's momentum coming off the fourth bend lap 2 when it looked like Dan was gonna swoop round him again. He's a class act NKI, fair play.

Just a mention too for heat 11 involving Fricke, Lambert & Erik Riss - heart in my mouth as they passed & re-passed - not to mention both Fricke & Lambert nearly coming off their bikes at different points, 100% commitment from all three, breathtaking action!

[Bald Bloke]

15 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Trouble is Saddlebow has been dire for a few years now. Buster has a lot to answer for.

Yet you say you ride it better than BV..

[Bagpuss]

Dire as a racetrack maybe but smooth, consistent and free of holes, ruts and bumps. Meaning all four riders can go flat out with confidence rather than worrying about being thrown off course.

[mikec]

Just a comment on the late start. Heard Max Fricke was at the track on time, but  van with his gear was delayed. Maybe Phil the Ace or Rob will know if that's true. Max wasn't in his racesuit at 7.30pm anyway. 

[Phil The Ace]

2 minutes ago, mikec said:

Just a comment on the late start. Heard Max Fricke was at the track on time, but  van with his gear was delayed. Maybe Phil the Ace or Rob will know if that's true. Max wasn't in his racesuit at 7.30pm anyway. 

You heard correct. Max van pulled up at 19:35 then all aces mechanics rushed to get his stuff out. That was real reason for delay. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by Phil The Ace

[Phil The Ace]

8 minutes ago, mikec said:

Congratulations to the Stars. When it came to the crunch, hts 13 & 15, Lambert and Iversen delivered. Iversen used all his experience & trackcraft in heat 15 to check Bewley's momentum coming off the fourth bend lap 2 when it looked like Dan was gonna swoop round him again. He's a class act NKI, fair play.

Just a mention too for heat 11 involving Fricke, Lambert & Erik Riss - heart in my mouth as they passed & re-passed - not to mention both Fricke & Lambert nearly coming off their bikes at different points, 100% commitment from all three, breathtaking action!

Heat 11.  Don't really know What to say. AMAZING, MAD, CRAZY

Edited August 6, 2018 by Phil The Ace

[mikec]

Just now, Phil The Ace said:

Heat 11.  Don't really know What to say. AMAZING, MAD, CRAZY

Have already tweeted Speedway GB suggesting that posting the video of that race might be a good idea in terms of showcasing how brilliant their product can be. It had everything - speed, skill, showing total trust in your rival - oh & having cojones the size of melons! 

[lastword]

3 hours ago, Clive Ward said:

Meeting delayed to let fans in, bloody hell we must be a good attraction!!

Regular speedway fans will recognise that the 'people queuing to get in' excuse is often used to disguise something else.  It was obvious that the track had not been prepared to the liking of the home management because Mark Lemon was out on the track on his own at 7.20pm with a rake!! The usual interviews with the respective managers took a back seat.

In the early exchanges the track provided sub 60 second times, but wasn't at its best in providing chances to pass.

Constant 'tractor racing' all the way through gradually provided a surface that served up some of the amazing races normally associated with the NSS.

 

 

 

 

[Steve Shovlar]

21 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Dire as a racetrack maybe but smooth, consistent and free of holes, ruts and bumps. Meaning all four riders can go flat out with confidence rather than worrying about being thrown off course.

And meaning most of the time heats are won from the gate.

Poole’s track over Saddlebow 365 days a year.

[Ace no.5]

I'd have gone with Tungate and Bewley in heat 15. They'd only been beaten once between them all night and even on that occasion Tungate got really close to passing Rob Lambert. Plus they ride really well together as a pair.  I would have put Drozdz in heat 14 after his previous race pass of Proctor though.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Ace no.5

[Aces51]

I think that the track had been over watered, which is why it was so grippy in the early part of the meeting. Congratulations to Kings Lynn on a deserved win. Good to see Iversen doing well, one of my favourite riders. A good size crowd, brilliant atmosphere and although not as many good races as usual, due to the grippy surface, an enjoyable meeting helped by the closeness of the scores. Highlights for me were heat 11, which was superb, Drozdz fighting all the way and beating Proctor to the line in heat 12 and the battle between Iversen and Bewley in heat 15. 

I would have put Fricke in heat 15 with Bewley but I can understand why Lemon chose Tungate. He and Bewley were out best two on the night. The reality was that the previous four heats had been won from gates 1 and 3, the gates King's Lynn chose, so I think the odds were against us, whoever we picked.

Cook is still not at his best at the NSS although our best away rider and Worrall is still struggling after his long absence through injury. We need to see what the format is next year before we start planning who should and shouldn't be retained.

 

[Endeavour]

Monarchs fan taking in this match. Five ex and one current Edinburgh rider in the match so really enjoyed out.

re heat 15. Surprised to see Dan off gate 4, only one winner from that gate all night. Thought the obvious choice would be Bewley off 2 and Fricke off 4. Cookie seemed a bit subdued last night, hope he picks up at Kings Lynn and GP.

[g13webb]

Following the meeting on twitter, it was always going to be a close call, with not much to choose between either of them.    Both can say they had riders who didn't perform as you would expect,   and can also say they had riders who excelled on the night.    Looking at the stats,  both teams had similar number of winners, and also a similar number of last places .  so, win or lose,   the end was always going to be close.     The Stars are fortunate to have 2 top riders to  grace races 13 and 15 , when the meeting comes to the business end,   you'll be amazed how many times  they have secured the win for the team   

I felt confident going into heat 13 only 6 points adrift,  believing we can get that predicted point today,   never did I expect to win the meeting outright.   So a massive WELL DONE  to all the team especially Neils and Robert,   and commiseration to all the BV fans.  I know, had this been the other way round,   I would have gone home 'pig sick',  to have lost that at the death....  

I can understand why Lemon choose  Tungate and Bewley  for ht 15.   Usually, you pick your top men to perform in these pressured races.  but he had been let down by  Cook and Friske scores,  and went for the inform riders,     It was a 'Big Ask'  though...…..

[waytogo28]

I am not a fan of Simon Lambert ( riding in the PL ) BUT a Big Thank You for his 3 points at reserve. For that ride take a bow.

[Ace no.5]

1 hour ago, Endeavour said:

Monarchs fan taking in this match. Five ex and one current Edinburgh rider in the match so really enjoyed out.

re heat 15. Surprised to see Dan off gate 4, only one winner from that gate all night. Thought the obvious choice would be Bewley off 2 and Fricke off 4. Cookie seemed a bit subdued last night, hope he picks up at Kings Lynn and GP.

Dan had beaten Iversen from gate 4 earlier on in the night. To be fair the gates weren't the problem. We had a 3-3 which was fine for us. Iversen just found some extra speed making a fine move down the home straight to take both our riders in one go. Was quite an incredible night in the sense that there was only one 4-2 scoreline all night! Every other race was a 5-1 or 3-3. And every time the Aces got a 5-1 to go 6 up the Stars responded with their own 5-1 every time. Great character from them.

Interesting point for discussion...

Jorgensen found himself in heat 14 for his 3rd programmed ride. He'd been replaced by Iversen on the tac sub for his other. He was already on a warning for moving at the start. He then jumped the tapes again and was "disqualified". He was then put back in off 15m as he hadn't completed his 3 rides? Should this have been a straight exclusion or was the ref correct in allowing that to happen? Interesting point for discussion as had he been excluded the match would have finished a draw. No sour grapes, would just like to know people's opinions/if they've seen anything like this before?

[Fromafar]

18 minutes ago, Ace no.5 said:

Dan had beaten Iversen from gate 4 earlier on in the night. To be fair the gates weren't the problem. We had a 3-3 which was fine for us. Iversen just found some extra speed making a fine move down the home straight to take both our riders in one go. Was quite an incredible night in the sense that there was only one 4-2 scoreline all night! Every other race was a 5-1 or 3-3. And every time the Aces got a 5-1 to go 6 up the Stars responded with their own 5-1 every time. Great character from them.

Interesting point for discussion...

Jorgensen found himself in heat 14 for his 3rd programmed ride. He'd been replaced by Iversen on the tac sub for his other. He was already on a warning for moving at the start. He then jumped the tapes again and was "disqualified". He was then put back in off 15m as he hadn't completed his 3 rides? Should this have been a straight exclusion or was the ref correct in allowing that to happen? Interesting point for discussion as had he been excluded the match would have finished a draw. No sour grapes, would just like to know people's opinions/if they've seen anything like this before?

Don't know the answer,but perhaps because Iversen replaced him as a tactical it may count as a ride.Speedway rules are a bit confusing!!!

[g13webb]

16 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Don't know the answer,but perhaps because Iversen replaced him as a tactical it may count as a ride.Speedway rules are a bit confusing!!!

I was of the impression the rule of 3 programmed rides was only associated with the Reserves..     But like you say the rules  are confusing...  

[False dawn]

1 hour ago, Ace no.5 said:

Interesting point for discussion...

Jorgensen found himself in heat 14 for his 3rd programmed ride. He'd been replaced by Iversen on the tac sub for his other. He was already on a warning for moving at the start. He then jumped the tapes again and was "disqualified". He was then put back in off 15m as he hadn't completed his 3 rides? Should this have been a straight exclusion or was the ref correct in allowing that to happen? Interesting point for discussion as had he been excluded the match would have finished a draw. No sour grapes, would just like to know people's opinions/if they've seen anything like this before?

Getting a warning and then an "exclusion" for moving a second time is surely equivalent to a tape touching offence? 15m is an option in both cases and if the rider had only appeared twice, a third outing was still required.

[Starman2006]

40 minutes ago, Fred Flange said:

Can't say that I'm surprised by the defeat, all riders from both teams did more or less as I expected. 

Cook usually gets around 7 from his programmed rides at home. The number 2 slot has been our Achilles since Worralls injury. Tungate and Bewley were both excellent. Fricke 'only' scored 9 but from harder races than Tungate and he probably should have been in 15. It was always a risk dropping our best reserve to try and improve our away results but I thought Riss did okay on his home debut. Drodz is still inconsistent but also did okay.

I'm not going through the KL team but, compared to the first meeting, they all did more or less the same (or better) than last time.

I thought that they may have slightly over watered the track, it looked mega grippy and they were tyre packing during the delayed start (by the way, the queue outside wasn't big, maybe around 30 people queuing at the ticket office as I walked straight in at 7:10 with my pre purchased ticket). That meant the racing for the first 3/4 of the meeting was quick but not much in the way of passing. It obviously got better as it slickened off and heat 11 was unbelievable, followed by a great race between Drodz and procter.

It now looks like a big ask for The Aces to make the knockout bit of the league cup, I reckon 3 away wins are required and our only away wins so far haven't counted. Having said that we usually see plenty of unexpected results in August and September so hopefully there's still plenty to race for?

I did say on here in reply to Phil the Aces post that it would be a lot closer than at our place.. No suprise to me. Now some might say im barking up the wrong tree, but i wouldnt have put Bewley in ht 15. I would have put fricke in. my opinion.

Edited August 7, 2018 by Starman2006