mike1944 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Watching Polish speedway on FreeSports I am getting increasingly impressed with their 2 minute timer for the riders to be ready at the tapes. The timer countdown can be seen on screen and the riders always appear to be ready on time. Any restarts get the 2 minutes too. Can we please adopt this Polish timer system as it is annoying to see four riders at the tapes after lots of delay and then one turn round and go back to the fourth bend and returns and then some more shuffling, gardening and clutch adjustments from the others too. Of course this can happen without the countdown clock but at least supporters know that the moment they get the go-ahead to leave the pit gate there is a time they have to adhere to and they have 2 minutes to be ready at the tapes to race. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, mike1944 said: Watching Polish speedway on FreeSports I am getting increasingly impressed with their 2 minute timer for the riders to be ready at the tapes. The timer countdown can be seen on screen and the riders always appear to be ready on time. Any restarts get the 2 minutes too. Can we please adopt this Polish timer system as it is annoying to see four riders at the tapes after lots of delay and then one turn round and go back to the fourth bend and returns and then some more shuffling, gardening and clutch adjustments from the others too. Of course this can happen without the countdown clock but at least supporters know that the moment they get the go-ahead to leave the pit gate there is a time they have to adhere to and they have 2 minutes to be ready at the tapes to race. The other thing you might have noticed with Poland is that the start Marshall will not signal race is ready to go until the ref has given him the thumbs up. They also will not allow any rider on gate 4 to have his bike pointing to the inside and not straight ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 i agree with this and have been saying it for ages. Another small thing i would implement is the start marshall only pulls the tapes down just before the start of the race. This may seem like a petty thing but with the new rule of riders not allowed across the centre green it can mean on some tracks they have to go all the way round the track compared to others where they come out at the fourth bend and down to the tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, therefused said: i agree with this and have been saying it for ages. Another small thing i would implement is the start marshall only pulls the tapes down just before the start of the race. This may seem like a petty thing but with the new rule of riders not allowed across the centre green it can mean on some tracks they have to go all the way round the track compared to others where they come out at the fourth bend and down to the tapes. I think the centre green rule is just for riding the bike. I believe all rider's can get off and push their bikes across. Just for entertainment reasons I'd change the 2mins slightly. 20 meters of the start area is off limits for the 1st minute. 2mins on, so adjustments can be made to the bike, then the last minute is where the start area is opened up to the rider's. To much time is given to kick dirt imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Also all four riders line up and not allowed on track till the pits Green light is shown... No drip feeding... All come out together and have two mins to make their way to the tapes.. Every race so far I have seen has had 'tapes up' (at the very latest) just seconds over two mins from the Green light, with the vast majority starting well under 2 mins from it... It all looks very professional..... Edited August 1, 2018 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 The Swedish referees are pretty strict too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 The whole set just seems so professional compared to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 All you currently lack is refs with a backbone to start excluding riders for 2 minute rule violations. When they start doing that, problem solved in a week without any fancy clocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, f-s-p said: All you currently lack is refs with a backbone to start excluding riders for 2 minute rule violations. When they start doing that, problem solved in a week without any fancy clocks. Which would, ultimately, be paid for by whom? Yep, the fans, as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: All you currently lack is refs with a backbone to start excluding riders for 2 minute rule violations. When they start doing that, problem solved in a week without any fancy clocks. Greg was still mucking about when the timer reached zero at Cardiff and he wasn't excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I think you can forget all these fancy ideas. The BSPA has shown in recent years that the want to go down the PC route. Only have to be on track within 2 minutes, not ready to start, no crossing of the centre green. They are not going to put the tapes up so you can ride round the wrong way, if you do that now and touch the centre green to get the right side of the tapes you are out. The starting system in the UK will only get slower and more pedantic than slicker and faster, all in the name of PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, sparks123 said: Greg was still mucking about when the timer reached zero at Cardiff and he wasn't excluded. So in reality we should have seen the last of Froschauer at GP/SWC/SoN level. Thats a pretty big mistake if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, f-s-p said: So in reality we should have seen the last of Froschauer at GP/SWC/SoN level. Thats a pretty big mistake if you ask me. Just showing that even at the highest level there is some give so it's not only league referee's that could be stricter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, sparks123 said: Just showing that even at the highest level there is some give so it's not only league referee's that could be stricter. Or maybe Froschauer just did not have the balls to exclude him or he was told not to... but if he really was over the allowed time, he should have been excluded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I have once seen all 4 riders getting excluded for the 2 min violation (and yes I have mentioned it before). Unfortunately some fans starts complaining that the referee should be more lenient and that "we want to see four riders in each heat", even if the rider is far away from the tapes (for whatever reason). Imo it's the opposite. A referee cannot be lenient or start bending rules because then the riders will stop respect the rules. I think the all 4 back is similar. Once you are lenient the riders will use it to get a restart when they don't get a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 On 8/1/2018 at 10:56 AM, mike1944 said: Watching Polish speedway on FreeSports I am getting increasingly impressed with their 2 minute timer for the riders to be ready at the tapes. The timer countdown can be seen on screen and the riders always appear to be ready on time. Any restarts get the 2 minutes too. Can we please adopt this Polish timer system as it is annoying to see four riders at the tapes after lots of delay and then one turn round and go back to the fourth bend and returns and then some more shuffling, gardening and clutch adjustments from the others too. Of course this can happen without the countdown clock but at least supporters know that the moment they get the go-ahead to leave the pit gate there is a time they have to adhere to and they have 2 minutes to be ready at the tapes to race. That's just ridiculous!!! Have you seen the price of clocks these days!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 I watched a Polish meeting last night and the 2 minutes seems to mean ready to race rather than over here which seems to be 2 minutes to get on track then prat about for as long as you want. Seems an easy thing to put right. Polish commentator was awful though. What the he'll does 5 1er and 4 2er etc mean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 8/1/2018 at 8:08 PM, New Science said: I think you can forget all these fancy ideas. The BSPA has shown in recent years that the want to go down the PC route. Only have to be on track within 2 minutes, not ready to start, no crossing of the centre green. They are not going to put the tapes up so you can ride round the wrong way, if you do that now and touch the centre green to get the right side of the tapes you are out. The starting system in the UK will only get slower and more pedantic than slicker and faster, all in the name of PC. Can't see what all this has to do with PC, he packed up years ago! Mind you, he could still be coming to the tapes when the others had gone, but he could still pass 'em. There was a time when refs would give five minutes from the end of one heat to the start of the next. Don't know whether it was ever in the 'rule book', but meetings were completed much quicker than now, and there were at least nineteen races. They also had the two-minutes but refs were much stricter then. When I was a 'pusher' at Lynn you got the bikes ready at the pit gate for the next heat before the start of the current one. So why can't the 'mechanics' do the same now, bikes haven't changed that much. PC is correctly blamed for many things, but can't see what it has to do with this; just instruct clerks of the course, team managers and referees to be stricter with time limits, and the Bloody stupid p****s association to back up refs to the hilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 8/1/2018 at 10:56 AM, mike1944 said: Watching Polish speedway on FreeSports I am getting increasingly impressed with their 2 minute timer for the riders to be ready at the tapes. The timer countdown can be seen on screen and the riders always appear to be ready on time. Any restarts get the 2 minutes too. Can we please adopt this Polish timer system as it is annoying to see four riders at the tapes after lots of delay and then one turn round and go back to the fourth bend and returns and then some more shuffling, gardening and clutch adjustments from the others too. Of course this can happen without the countdown clock but at least supporters know that the moment they get the go-ahead to leave the pit gate there is a time they have to adhere to and they have 2 minutes to be ready at the tapes to race. The countdown clock is allowed in British Speedway ( or at least it was in the rules a while back )..... ,however it was not compulsory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Swindon have one on a knacked old coffee table painted red. From the many positives that could be taken from Poland the only thing the BSPA have ever adopted is numbering the home side 8 to 14 several years Ago. The stats that the commutator comes out with like number of race wins and average points scored per race is interesting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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