flipper11 Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, TurnTwo said: Did Eastbourne break any rules in delaying the time? Surely if a football team is 1-0 up in a crunch match they put the ball in the corner of the pitch? Dugard JNR has one general job as team manager and that is to get as many points as possible and although I do not agree with the way Eastbourne went about it last night they did what anybody else would do to get that point that may prove vital at the end of the year. That was nothing to do with protecting 1 point. If Eastbourne were happy with 1 point they would have done there best to get to heat 10 for a result & collect their 1 point. Kent were 9 points up after heat 5 & Eastbourne were never going to claw that back by heat 10, hence all the ridiculous delay tactics by Eastbourne to stop the meeting reaching heat 10 before the 8.30 curfew & deny Kent the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, ruckerroo said: He never even touched tom bacon, tom just bailed out tbh, i cannot believe you posted that tbh, the rest of your post is bang on So why did the referee exclude Brennan then!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Coz he completely bottled it as lots of refs do. Oddly kelsey dugards put the incident up from last night, tom hit a bump going into turn 3, it straightened him up and straight into the luckless stoneham, nasty incident tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, flipper11 said: So why did the referee exclude Brennan then!? Er, ever witnessed a referee being wrong?..... Apart from the blindingly obvious, as supporters we can argue about some incidents forever - it's only the riders who know the truth. I think it speaks volumes that the first thing Bacon did when he got to his feet was to shake hands with Brennan. Surely, that's all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 I've watched the Brennan incident a few times now and it was plainly obvious on first viewing that there was absolutely no intent to harm anyone on anyone's part .. You need your head testing if you think that was deliberate on brennans part .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Richard Weston said: Track staff totally out of order. How can that help if a rider is on the track needing attention? He won't get any of that from a fellow rider. The only people who should be with the injured rider are the paramedic and medical staff. I've no time for all this nonsense of the world and his wife jumping out of the fence to surround an injured rider. That's the last thing medical staff need. As for the "rider who walked away", the correct thing to do is check with the injured rider either on his way back to, or in the pits. I am all for riders caring about each other (I'm sure they do) but please don't get in the way of those who have a vital job to do. Appears we have a differing sense of purpose Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Surely if Eastbourne riders were messing about the red could just put the 2 minutes on and exclude them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, bruno said: Surely if Eastbourne riders were messing about the red could just put the 2 minutes on and exclude them He did exclude them. It just added to the delays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Ok thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 10:32 PM, cityrebel said: Here is my view as a neutral who was at the meeting. The track was a bit tricky at the start and no doubt contributed to the two major incidents. With a two hour curfew in place, Kent should consider employing a second ambulance to help keep delays at a minimum. Lastly with a big holiday crowd in attendance, Eastbourne's delaying tactics to slow the meeting down were a disgrace. With the sport suffering at all levels, selfish antics are the last thing speedway needs. My thoughts exactly. You cant plan a meeting without accidents. 2nd meeting on the trot that has failed to go 15 heats but clear confirmation one medic is just not enough with a 2hr deadline. Eastbourne’s antics with all the problems in British Speedway were disgusting, a kick in the teeth for the paying public especially as it was a much bigger crowd than recent Kent meetings. As for dirty riding nonsense accidents happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 How a 2 hour window is not a big enough window is beyond me. Think even clubs with later curfews would have struggled with an over 1 hour delay after 4 heats. It's one of those things, earlier in the season with the threat of rain we had a meeting done by not long after 7.30... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Firstly, best wishes to William and Nathan following their unfortunate accidents. Kelsey Dugard has posted footage of the incident on Facebook. It is from someone in the crowd. Make your own mind up. (I wasnt there but have been reading comments on here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 As a reasonably regular visitor to Central Park I have noticed that for most heats invariably it is the home riders who are last out to the tapes keeping the visiting riders (and the crowd) waiting right up to the expiry of the 2 mins....This was illustrated perfectly on Monday in heat 1 when Boxall took ages to come out of pits ... Just saying that against Brum that accumulation of 'wasted' time came back to haunt them later as Brummies used time-wasting tactics...I am not the only one who has noticed this trend by the home riders week after week....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 9:01 AM, Vic Meldrew said: Eastbourne - what a pathetic excuse for a speedway team and manager!! at least they haven't deliberately flooded the track to get a meeting postponed and stupidly done it when a member of the opposing team lives 20 mins down the road , now who was that with the short memory again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlegang Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Mike.Butler said: As a reasonably regular visitor to Central Park I have noticed that for most heats invariably it is the home riders who are last out to the tapes keeping the visiting riders (and the crowd) waiting right up to the expiry of the 2 mins....This was illustrated perfectly on Monday in heat 1 when Boxall took ages to come out of pits ... Just saying that against Brum that accumulation of 'wasted' time came back to haunt them later as Brummies used time-wasting tactics...I am not the only one who has noticed this trend by the home riders week after week....... Boxall was first out but returned back up the slope - then came out last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Sadly I was at this speedway meeting on Monday.Not one I care to remember ... a real bore. It was very poor value for money - the entertainment was completely ruined by the lack of machine control shown by riders O Keefe , Edwards and Brennan. These young lads need further training before being put on display to the paying public. The time wasting tactics by the Eastbourne rider Powell was disgraceful.The Eastbourne team “manager” should have taken action and spoken to Powell immediately to remind him that he is there to entertain the paying public and not act like a silly schoolboy having a tantrum. If 2 hours isn’t enough time to run 15 heats of one minute duration, it’s not a sport I will pay to watch. Sadly I see the same nonsense of poor presentation at Lakeside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlegang Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Sadly I was at this speedway meeting on Monday.Not one I care to remember ... a real bore. It was very poor value for money - the entertainment was completely ruined by the lack of machine control shown by riders O Keefe , Edwards and Brennan. These young lads need further training before being put on display to the paying public. The time wasting tactics by the Eastbourne rider Powell was disgraceful.The Eastbourne team “manager” should have taken action and spoken to Powell immediately to remind him that he is there to entertain the paying public and not act like a silly schoolboy having a tantrum. If 2 hours isn’t enough time to run 15 heats of one minute duration, it’s not a sport I will pay to watch. Sadly I see the same nonsense of poor presentation at Lakeside. Quote LOL at the further training remark - are you serious (especially about Brennan and Edwards)?! I think you'll find that the team manager was telling the riders to behave like that. Edited August 1, 2018 by whistlegang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevec Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 15 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Sadly I was at this speedway meeting on Monday.Not one I care to remember ... a real bore. It was very poor value for money - the entertainment was completely ruined by the lack of machine control shown by riders O Keefe , Edwards and Brennan. These young lads need further training before being put on display to the paying public. Remarks like this made as a one off judgement do annoy me. All three of these riders are more than capable of controlling their bikes and worthy of being put in front of the paying public. I have seen the best of riders (even in the top leagues) made to look amateur on certain tracks or conditions. To suggest they should be hidden away somewhere and get more training is stupid. (What number is Tom at again)? I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, most likely by the shocking looking accident that Nathan had. It is never nice to see a rider slam into the fence like that and emotions can run high when its due to being taken out by an opposing rider. I have seen a lot worse in my years of watching speedway. Lukaz Dryml being taken out at Birmingham by Daniel Nermark springs to mind and that left Lukaz on the sidelines for some time. But, we got over it, thats speedway. Then there are suggestions that little ole Tom did it on purpose. Well, maybe he is pretty skillful after all? To take the risk at that sort of speed and take someone out of the meeting but know that you will end up okay, thats clever! Oh but yeh, your gonna get excluded!! Time wasting? Well how many times has someone watch their team and a rider goes down. Under your breath or sometime out loud you say "Stay Down" get a re run! Again, I have seen my team on the bad side of the rules. Well up at Arlington when the rain starts to come down, home riders at the tapes while the away riders are standing looking at the track and asking for a referee inspection. Or the opposing team purposely getting a 5 - 0 to bring in a tat sub in the next race! But, we got over it, thats speedway. So, we have a team with a crazy curfew. Our riders have thrown away points and we are down. Sorry, but I for one was looking at the time and thinking, hopefully we can get to 8.30 before heat 10. Dam right the Eastbourne management should be thinking that same thing! It up to the ref to control this, as soon as the riders go over the tapes at the end of four laps, get the 2 minutes on. If a rider is doing a lap of honour, whats stopping the four riders getting out for the next race? I am told that the race after that, the Kent rider did a lap of honour for winning as race (but that may be hearsay). Seems like get got their justice and won the match. Would they have gone on an got the 4 points without the Eastbourne 'time wasting'? Well I would say that heats 13 and 15 may have looked pretty good for Eastbourne and once Jason and Tom stopped throwing things away, maybe we would have overturned the lead, who knows? Just move on everybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 I have moved on. Last night I saw an excellent meeting at somerset, that produced some great racing. The match started on time at 7.30, and finished at 9pm. There was a big crowd in attendance, perfect speedway I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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