Poole v Kings Lynn. Prem B. 1st August 2018

[SPD444]

6 minutes ago, Aviator said:

24/7 is a grossly overused phrase Starman and I don’t personally recall that you keep saying what you’ve said above. However, Poole has lacked reinvestment in the facilities over the last few years and that was one of the reasons I withdrew sponsorship of the club. I was fed up with poor PA systems, an infield start post that looked like the leaning tower of pizza and a track that caused a number of rider injuries. Thankfully, most of those issues have been rectified and we now have a facility that is reasonable (including the track). Hopefully the promoter has learned from his experiences of the last couple of years and, in particular the early part of the season and seen the results (in terms of increased supporter numbers) of some reinvestment. He should not rest, there is more to be done and in the world of “marginal gains” every little helps. Let’s not forget, the club is “owned” by the supporters. The promoter simply makes money from the business that the supporters bring through the gates. 

Lets not also forget that Mr Ford has also said this could be his last year. A stadium with improved facilities, better racing and increased attendances equates to a higher selling price. So reading all the messages of how wonderful it is now to attend a meeting and watch this fantastic team is music to Mr Ford's ears. "And the money keeps rolling in"

[Starman2006]

1 minute ago, Aviator said:

24/7 is a grossly overused phrase Starman and I don’t personally recall that you keep saying what you’ve said above. However, Poole has lacked reinvestment in the facilities over the last few years and that was one of the reasons I withdrew sponsorship of the club. I was fed up with poor PA systems, an infield start post that looked like the leaning tower of pizza and a track that caused a number of rider injuries. Thankfully, most of those issues have been rectified and we now have a facility that is reasonable (including the track). Hopefully the promoter has learned from his experiences of the last couple of years and, in particular the early part of the season and seen the results (in terms of increased supporter numbers) of some reinvestment. He should not rest, there is more to be done and in the world of “marginal gains” every little helps. Let’s not forget, the club is “owned” by the supporters. The promoter simply makes money from the business that the supporters bring through the gates. 

No i agree with you.  But Matt hasnt m,ade a whole lot this year, and he can only bring in who's avaliable. On paper the side assembled looked very good in the winter, but it just didnt work out. Sofar as the track is concerned  yesit could be better, but Neil works on his own, its an all day thing  just to get it ready he trys his best. you have the boys come in in the evening, but they've been at work all day. The sound system is better, but i still think its a bit loud, everything cost money, and as im sure you will know. You can only spend what comes in
Facilities, im sure that Matt would like to spend more, but nobody knows how the league will be set up next season.
Sorry to hear you took your sponsorship away, but Matt does know sponsorship is important, just as those who come through the gate. Matt wouldnt care if we won the league every year, thats his job, and poole is his club, but you can only sign who's avaliable and how much money comes in and with the top boys pretty much pulling Britain its getting harder.  And i would gurantteee, 99% of clubs are in the same boat..
Thats why as i keep screaming, changes must be had at the top, bring in a top retired rider who has no vested interest in a club.
And i stand by what i said, BV have access 24/7 we have dogs and we are hard pressed to get down there to do things off a speedway day, one people have to work and two they have dogs.

[Starman2006]

13 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

I think you have misread my post. I was praising the Poole track! Steve Shovlar  said the same as me but got his post in first but you didn't respond to his post.

 

 

Ok miss read it, it looked liked you was running along the same lines as Orlov. Many wright in riddles on here and you lose track and the will to live sometimes..

[Starman2006]

8 minutes ago, SPD444 said:

Lets not also forget that Mr Ford has also said this could be his last year. A stadium with improved facilities, better racing and increased attendances equates to a higher selling price. So reading all the messages of how wonderful it is now to attend a meeting and watch this fantastic team is music to Mr Ford's ears. "And the money keeps rolling in"

But he lost a fortune  in the first 2 months of the season..

[SPD444]

Just a small point Starman, I am not sure, and stand to be corrected, but I believe BV have a license to race on only certain days.

 

[SPD444]

1 minute ago, Starman2006 said:

But he lost a fortune  in the first 2 months of the season..

Is that because attendances were so poor?  Or other issues.

[Aviator]

4 minutes ago, SPD444 said:

Lets not also forget that Mr Ford has also said this could be his last year. A stadium with improved facilities, better racing and increased attendances equates to a higher selling price. So reading all the messages of how wonderful it is now to attend a meeting and watch this fantastic team is music to Mr Ford's ears. "And the money keeps rolling in"

I’ve looked at it and when you analyse the tangible assets, it could be “good fun” to own a speedway club but, it doesn’t make good business sense. Particularly when you build in the risk factors i.e. unpredictable weather, rider issues (work permits etc), failures of other clubs, the BSPA and of course tv rights etc.

[Aviator]

8 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

But he lost a fortune  in the first 2 months of the season..

I know you purport to be many things but I hadn’t realised you were the Financial Director of Poole Speedway Ltd.

[Starman2006]

2 minutes ago, Aviator said:

I know you purport to be many things but I hadn’t realised you were the Financial Director of Poole Speedway Ltd.

Not at all, its common knowledge it was in the  Echo, how many meetings did we lose to rain off's, and the 70th aniversary meeting,?, all that would added to a pretty penny..

[Starman2006]

12 minutes ago, SPD444 said:

Is that because attendances were so poor?  Or other issues.

Both rain off's as ive put above and early season attendances.

[Aviator]

16 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

No i agree with you.  But Matt hasnt m,ade a whole lot this year, and he can only bring in who's avaliable. On paper the side assembled looked very good in the winter, but it just didnt work out. Sofar as the track is concerned  yesit could be better, but Neil works on his own, its an all day thing  just to get it ready he trys his best. you have the boys come in in the evening, but they've been at work all day. The sound system is better, but i still think its a bit loud, everything cost money, and as im sure you will know. You can only spend what comes in
Facilities, im sure that Matt would like to spend more, but nobody knows how the league will be set up next season.
Sorry to hear you took your sponsorship away, but Matt does know sponsorship is important, just as those who come through the gate. Matt wouldnt care if we won the league every year, thats his job, and poole is his club, but you can only sign who's avaliable and how much money comes in and with the top boys pretty much pulling Britain its getting harder.  And i would gurantteee, 99% of clubs are in the same boat..
Thats why as i keep screaming, changes must be had at the top, bring in a top retired rider who has no vested interest in a club.
And i stand by what i said, BV have access 24/7 we have dogs and we are hard pressed to get down there to do things off a speedway day, one people have to work and two they have dogs.

On the subject of this “24/7 BV” access that you talk of, I don’t believe this to be true. I personally know and have worked with one of the “new owners” and, I can tell you the contract he has in place will be as tight as a drum and he will only pay for what he needs in terms of access etc.

[Aviator]

4 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

Not at all, its common knowledge it was in the  Echo, how many meetings did we lose to rain off's, and the 70th aniversary meeting,?, all that would added to a pretty penny..

That is all inuendo, please convert to ??? Pounds Sterling!!

[ray c]

58 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

Jeez, your day must be full of fun going on that post.. You've suddenly forgot the crap start we had..

The last two Wednesday have been the start of school holidays so I'm sure attendance have been the biggest this seasons be

Edited August 3, 2018 by ray c

[poole keith]

correct ray packed out the last 2 meetings,really poor poor crowds up to then and of course we are in an area which is one of the main holiday destinations in uk

[ray c]

3 minutes ago, poole keith said:

correct ray packed out the last 2 meetings,really poor poor crowds up to then and of course we are in an area which is one of the main holiday destinations in uk

Still well below what we have had in the past though 1600\1700 both meetings

[Aviator]

4 minutes ago, poole keith said:

correct ray packed out the last 2 meetings,really poor poor crowds up to then and of course we are in an area which is one of the main holiday destinations in uk

I understand it was 1664 last week and bordering 1800 this week. Guessing that’s going to be combined revenues of circa £45-48k, depending on the adult/child ratios.

[Bagpuss]

6 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Take your blinkers off. You were not there. 

The track was in excellent shape. Highly praised by the Poole riders during and after the meeting at the press conference. Having seen the Poole track at the start of the season before it was relaid, there’s no comparison. It’s been getting better every week. Was very good last week and even better on Wednesday. Fast, smooth, lots of passing, no dust at all. Great track prep. Big well done to the track staff for giving us a proper racing strip that allows plenty of passing. 

The Poole track has always been a great race strip. Wasn’t so great last season and at the start of this but with the relay and new shale has come together to give us fans a treat.

No blinkers here, you are the one disrespectfully brushing off an experienced international rider's opinion as sour grapes when most would say he is not that kind of character. And I'm sure Poole's riders will say exactly what they are told to in a press conference

You are right, I wasn't there, I wouldn't put money into your promoter's pocket if his track was the last one on earth.

[scottyfan]

20 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

Yes, it is, but it shouldn’t be. 

Swindon and Wolves were built to 42.5 and haven’t been able to change because they chose well and have done well.

Poole chose a crap team, have made five changes, wheeling and dealing and dropping riders who have improved their averages, and now have one built to 46.5.

Swindon and Wolves should now be allowed to build to 46.5.

#Poole46.5

How did Swindle get on at Somerset on Wednesday??.....ooooooppppppsss another whooping .....glug glug glug..   

[thecoombdog]

3 hours ago, Starman2006 said:

Tell you what mate, go and offer your services to Matt. Im very sure you could do better...

Haha classic Starman!!!! You wont get an apology FB!!

[SteveLyric2]

8 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

46.5 is the total of your current team’s average from the start of year greensheets.

While it may be acceptable to allow a rubbish team to continually rebuild to 42.5 on rolling averages, it should also be acceptable for any team that has retained its original seven to rebuild to the starting average that the rubbish team has now assembled (on the proviso that they cannot build to more than Poole’s 46.5 by using only riders that have improved their averages). That would be fair.

Swindon, for example, could take their team’s original starting average of 42.24, take out Mitchell Davey’s average of 2.31 (as Smith was an injury replacement), leaving 39.93 and replace Smith with another rider with an original starting average of 46.5 - 39.93 = 6.57 (provided he has not increased it beyond 6.57).

So, to equal what Poole have done, Swindon should be allowed to replace Smith with Milik, Michelsen, Lahti, Kennett, Hougard, Barker or Pieszczek

That would be fair.

#Poole46.5

keep the campaign going lads.

 

It might be more credible if you got your averages right 'cos the current 1-7 certainly did not add up to 46.anything at the start of the season!!