LesR Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Seems Riss has gone to Bellvue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickitov Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, LesR said: Seems Riss has gone to Bellvue! That's Mark not Eric! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesR Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, The Stag said: That's Mark not Eric! My mistake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Trees said: You know why I am asking what you want to know for Haza!! It doesn't make a rubbishs worth of difference to you whether it's happening or not! For your information, they HAD to be scrapped by ruling from the SCB I believe. Shame. Really don’t no why you say that - the one thing we all want is the club to be successful including me believe it or not - hot laps was an extra attraction though as I’ve previously said I could see problems with it payment to riders being one , just seems strange how it been swept under the carpet by the club and only asking a question seems to have brought it to light it’s been scrapped - will agree it’s a shame but needed to be run at all clubs and open to all riders from both teams . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Star Lady said: Be fair Haza there were four splendid laps of team riding by Robert Lambert, doubt his namesake would have got a point in that race without it. Got a bit annoyed at Pearson saying Woffy taught him how cos I remember Robert team riding quite often and have hardly been to Lynn for three years. Apart from that I agree with you. Not sure how much it is to get in nowadays but must be £3 an overtake at least. That would be when Robert jumped the start, and ferried his namesake around after getting to the first corner one bike length ahead of the Rebs two worst riders. I’m a Lambert fan btw. There was a bit of talk that he may have come to us pre season. Edited July 31, 2018 by Cliffeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Doesn’t want to travel from Edinburgh to ride in the Premier? He’s taking the Riss, surely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Pay him enough and he would come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, therefused said: Pay him enough and he would come I've still got about 3 Deutschmark at home,would that be enough to entice him down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 10 hours ago, therefused said: Pay him enough and he would come Good on the clubs for not bowing to his demands. Too many riders are greedy nowadays and clubs have to be strict on what they spend. You only have to look at Rye House and the shambles they made of over paying riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 1:56 PM, DizzAssStar said: Apparently it was not great at Swindon last night ............ match report states just ONE overtake all night!! It's not just KL............ although some would have you believe otherwise! Still believe that a great deal (not necessarily all) is down to fans perception of what they think they remember from years gone by ............... they always remember the good/outstanding races/matches but NEVER recollect the countless bad ones they've seen in the past....................... I know for sure that I've been to a great deal of very "dull" meetings at very many tracks (many now sadly defunct) since the early 70's. So for those who "believe" that every race was an absolute blinder in years gone by .................. I'm sorry to advise that your memory is either failing or being selective. Spot on with that post.Iv'e watched quite a few matches on YouTube from 70s and 80s,even though I attended quite a few back then at Saddlebow road.And the racing is pretty much the same.Some strung out after the first bend,some close ones but hardly any overtakes watched a video at home to Ipswich 1979,one overtake of note in HT one.So all in all think the racing is pretty similar, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, tellboy said: Spot on with that post.Iv'e watched quite a few matches on YouTube from 70s and 80s,even though I attended quite a few back then at Saddlebow road.And the racing is pretty much the same.Some strung out after the first bend,some close ones but hardly any overtakes watched a video at home to Ipswich 1979,one overtake of note in HT one.So all in all think the racing is pretty similar, I don't disagree that there were some dire matches in the "olden days". However there was almost always extra races, either 2nd halves, Golden Helmet races, junior matches. Quite often 2 of the above and very occasionally if you were lucky, you got all three. So even if there wasn't loads of overtaking the perception was better value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Star Lady said: I don't disagree that there were some dire matches in the "olden days". However there was almost always extra races, either 2nd halves, Golden Helmet races, junior matches. Quite often 2 of the above and very occasionally if you were lucky, you got all three. So even if there wasn't loads of overtaking the perception was better value for money. I don't disagree neither about all the extras you got back then.But most people put on here about the racing being crap,when it was pretty much the same back in the good old days.Only difference was it being better attended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Star Lady said: I don't disagree that there were some dire matches in the "olden days". However there was almost always extra races, either 2nd halves, Golden Helmet races, junior matches. Quite often 2 of the above and very occasionally if you were lucky, you got all three. So even if there wasn't loads of overtaking the perception was better value for money. They were also on a Saturday night in King’s Lynn’s case, a much better night for added extras ...... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 hours ago, tellboy said: I don't disagree neither about all the extras you got back then.But most people put on here about the racing being crap,when it was pretty much the same back in the good old days.Only difference was it being better attended. Its difficult to make comparisons of yesterday year, as the sport today is so different. The racing now is much faster, with these high revving engines, whereas before, the engines had more bottom end torque (power) . The effect of this means the high revving engines have to keep their throttles wide open, once they shut off they lose all their momentum. The old bikes had far more usable power, when shutting off wasn't a problem. It enabled races to be more competitive, where riders raced closer to each other. I cant remember many races being too spread out , like a lot of races are today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, g13webb said: Its difficult to make comparisons of yesterday year, as the sport today is so different. The racing now is much faster, with these high revving engines, whereas before, the engines had more bottom end torque (power) . The effect of this means the high revving engines have to keep their throttles wide open, once they shut off they lose all their momentum. The old bikes had far more usable power, when shutting off wasn't a problem. It enabled races to be more competitive, where riders raced closer to each other. I cant remember many races being too spread out , like a lot of races are today... That's my memory of years gone by too and not through rose tinted spectacles. It was much more unpredictable ( especially for the minor places ) and a lot of great races resulted. Now it is over in 150 metres ( halfway through the first lap ) and very strung out and boring for 75% of the time. So boring that I am ready to walk away and don't feel that I would miss it much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 Best you take a look on youtube from meetings back in the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 12:43 PM, Daniel Smith said: I don't think Pearson can't go a single league meeting on BT without mentioning Woffinden. Isn't he Woofindens PR man ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 hours ago, woofers said: Isn't he Woofindens PR man ? I believe so, if he’s not he’s doing a bloody good job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 hours ago, tellboy said: Best you take a look on youtube from meetings back in the day. I don't need to look at YouTube, I'm well aware of the changes of the bikes and the racing. Its very hard to be exact with any conclusion but the memories are clear in ones mind. Usually, the meeting lasted 22 races, of those, probably 50% were won from the gate. but even then the majority were closely contested. of cause there were some that were spaced out, but nowhere the number of todays meeting. We only have 15 races now, and as many as 80 or 90% are won from the gate. As many as 50% of the races are spaced out, and this is all to do with the characteristics of todays engines. We now have a sport where the machine ( bike) is more important than the rider, Years ago, a class rider could win on virtually anybody's machine... not any more. Two entirely different scenarios.... I don't need YouTube to realise that..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 3 hours ago, g13webb said: I don't need to look at YouTube, I'm well aware of the changes of the bikes and the racing. Its very hard to be exact with any conclusion but the memories are clear in ones mind. Usually, the meeting lasted 22 races, of those, probably 50% were won from the gate. but even then the majority were closely contested. of cause there were some that were spaced out, but nowhere the number of todays meeting. We only have 15 races now, and as many as 80 or 90% are won from the gate. As many as 50% of the races are spaced out, and this is all to do with the characteristics of todays engines. We now have a sport where the machine ( bike) is more important than the rider, Years ago, a class rider could win on virtually anybody's machine... not any more. Two entirely different scenarios.... I don't need YouTube to realise that..... Quite a few tracks now have MDL racing after the 15 heats making it 21. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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