DC2 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: I. was thinking without the likes of Doyley/Iversen riding these two teams as examples shows the level of rider we will have. - Poole 1.Kurtz. 2.Starke 3.J.Holder. 4. Klindt 5.Jacobsen. 6.Lidsey?? 7.Jenkins. - Ipswich. 1.King. 2. Heeps 3. Schlein 4.Covatti. 5.H.Andersen. 6.Hume. 7.Kemp. I think the likes of Andersen, Schlein, Kurtz and Holder will have to be number ones shared around the sixteen or so teams. Assuming Doyle, Iversen and Thorsell have foreign commitments, Cook, Fricke, Masters, Morris, Batchelor, Lambert, Grajczonek, Musielak, Harris, Nicholls and Steve Worrall could be other number ones. Edited July 27, 2018 by DC2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: iT appears to be the favoured option amongst promoters at the moment How disappointing. 1 hour ago, DC2 said: 150 were listed in 2017, so there are plenty. For every rider that retires or doesn’t return new ones have come in. Every team should be required to have a young Brit at reserve on a proper average. Quite a few of those listed aren’t good enough or would want to ride in one big league from the National league. as I’ve always maintained it would be a struggle to fill all team spots with ‘suitable standard’ riders. Obviously you would have to have knowledge of the National league and Development leagues to know how many would be able to deal with a higher level standard. Thankfully there are some great young riders that will always develop well whatever league standards are set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Haza said: Think we’d need National League riders to make the teams up to 7 riders and another problem is rider income take Chris Harris for example he curently rides for Poole and Glasgow I’d have thought one big league would mean less meetings for double up riders ,one big league is a good idea though it has been done before and failed but speedway is on its knees compared to when it was last tried . And if you remember rightly, back in the early 70's we had 18+ side s in the top league. Now, in those days if you had for example Ivan Mauger Ole Olsen Anders michenek Barry Briggs coming to your home meeting you have to go, otherwise you will not see them for the rest of the season unless they ride in an open meeting ie in our case the Blue Riband. Nowadays you miss the top boys, whats left of them and you think, oh well, they will be back in 4 weeks. We need tro get back to the above, but we also need to keep the play off's. We also need a fair team building average, and all teams have to use either 1-2 wobblers. they also still needs to be an academy league ran by Vatch and co. We still need to bring the kids on and make our own top riders of the future. Thing is, if they get good enough Poland will want to poach them, how do you stop that. IMO they choose one or the other.. Times have changed, and we have to change with it.. We should still have a british final, and the winner goes to Cardiff as a wlid card. But other than that they have to make choises, we carry no passengers anymore, clubs cannot afford to.. First things first, we need to get shot of that person at the top of the management comittee.. Edited July 27, 2018 by Starman2006 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: iT appears to be the favoured option amongst promoters at the moment That should worry everyone for a start then. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Unlike in 1965 we have riders performing in both leagues so team equalisation will be a problem but not impossible. Start with 5 riders to an agreed combined average then have a pool of NL riders that teams could pick from to fulfill meetings. Certain NL riders will be a problem (Drew Kemp) so he may need to be moved up into the main body of the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: iT appears to be the favoured option amongst promoters at the moment How many of the Promoters? If it was to be one league (whatever daft name they would come up with) I can see quite a few current Championship clubs closing, as they wouldn't be able to afford a top liner rider at number 1 (some can't afford one now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, ouch said: In ‘97 in think, we ran teams with a blank in the main team. The other four members took the rides similar to R/R. If we operated this again it would ease the rider shortage worries some have, keep the standard up and address the drop in earning that will inevitably occur, as in essence every four meeting would be equivalent to five in term of rides taken. The problem you have is if R/R was required. I’ll have to dig out the programmes from that year to see what went on or maybe someone could add to the discussion. I also think we should use NL riders at reserve with protected heats but this time get the averages weighted correctly to properly reflect their ability and no moving out of that position all season ( like the Poles). 1995 & 1996 were the years of one big league (1997 was 6 man teams in the Premier/2nd Division). Middlesbrough used the 'blank R/R' rule all season in 1996 when Shane Parker was the number 1. There was a supplementary rule brought in for the R/R for the invisible man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, GWC said: Unlike in 1965 we have riders performing in both leagues so team equalisation will be a problem but not impossible. Start with 5 riders to an agreed combined average then have a pool of NL riders that teams could pick from to fulfill meetings. Certain NL riders will be a problem (Drew Kemp) so he may need to be moved up into the main body of the team. Why do teams have to be so equal all the time though? In a 1975 Swindon programme they once showed the team averages for all the team at the start of the year, and they ranged from around 52 down to about 39. And nobody complained then about teams not being equal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 The British League of 1965 was a great success, though as a Hammer I am biased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 I league cannot be any worse than what we are watching now irrespective of who competes in it IMO.Track prep and technology need to be sorted out.( same old problems every year).Some Promotions have to be struggling on the crowds I have witnessed at tracks I have visited.No doubt the AGM will resolve everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, Fromafar said: I league cannot be any worse than what we are watching now irrespective of who competes in it IMO.Track prep and technology need to be sorted out.( same old problems every year).Some Promotions have to be struggling on the crowds I have witnessed at tracks I have visited.No doubt the AGM will resolve everything And no doubt it will be heralded as "the most important AGM for many years," and then, as you hint, sod all will be done except maybe bring back the Green helmet colour.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Assuming that promoters would only be allowed to have an interest in one club in the "Big League" how many clubs are likely to be affected by a promoter having to give up his rights at one or more clubs AKA the Bates family at Sheffield & Leicester? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, 1 valve said: Assuming that promoters would only be allowed to have an interest in one club in the "Big League" how many clubs are likely to be affected by a promoter having to give up his rights at one or more clubs AKA the Bates family at Sheffield & Leicester? why would you have to assume that, there have been instances in the past with Promoters have been involved in more than 1 club has there not ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, Fromafar said: why would you have to assume that, there have been instances in the past with Promoters have been involved in more than 1 club has there not ? Current rule is that a promoter cannot have an interest in two or more clubs in the same league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Current rule is that a promoter cannot have an interest in two or more clubs in the same league. Speedway Rules!! Your having a laugh, sure sub clause 58 j . " best interest of the sport " would sort that one out. Edited July 27, 2018 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: Speedway Rules!! Your having a laugh, sure sub clause 58 j . " best interest of the sport would sort "that one out. Not sure if you are just having a laugh - and happy to laugh with you at some of the rules currently in situ within speedawy But just in case there is a serious side to your post: How long would it be before a promoter who had an interest in two clubs was accused of showing favouritism to one of his clubs over the other or using both clubs to manipulate an outcome to the detriment of another club? So in the best interest of the sport, circumstances which could give rise to the above should be avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Not sure if you are just having a laugh - and happy to laugh with you at some of the rules currently in situ within speedawy But just in case there is a serious side to your post: How long would it be before a promoter who had an interest in two clubs was accused of showing favouritism to one of his clubs over the other or using both clubs to manipulate an outcome to the detriment of another club? So in the best interest of the sport, circumstances which could give rise to the above should be avoided. Admittedly a bit " tongue in cheek" but in this sport likely to happen if nessessary ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: Admittedly a bit " tongue in cheek" but in this sport likely to happen if nessessary ! Nothing should come as a surprise where UK speedway is concerned. In any case it looks like only the Bates family affected, so only Sheffield/Leicester would need sorting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 36 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Speedway Rules!! Your having a laugh, sure sub clause 58 j . " best interest of the sport " would sort that one out. Blame Colin Horton for that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: This year speedway in the UK has hit a alltime low can it recover what would you do.?My opinion is one big league has to happen personally i dont think it will but it has to happen in my opinion.It would be great to be able to get at least 20 home meetings a year unlike now where sometimes we have had 1 meeting in five weeks.I would have a rule where 2 young brits go at reserve so therefore the clubs now have to live within there means meaning the likes of Doyley will have to be a thing of the past. should happen not 1 league but 2 north and south with the top 2 from each league going into the playoffs as a lakeside fan I do like to go away as much as possible but this year I have no chance as 80 % of the teams are 4/5 hours plus away so no real chance if it is a north and south league I think you would get far more away fans at each meeting helping clubs out no end but it wont happen as the powers that be are totally cluless you could also still have cups 1 within the 2 leagues and 1 big one with all teams like the Fa cup. will not hold my breath though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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