Sidney the robin Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 This year speedway in the UK has hit a alltime low can it recover what would you do.?My opinion is one big league has to happen personally i dont think it will but it has to happen in my opinion.It would be great to be able to get at least 20 home meetings a year unlike now where sometimes we have had 1 meeting in five weeks.I would have a rule where 2 young brits go at reserve so therefore the clubs now have to live within there means meaning the likes of Doyley will have to be a thing of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Sadly I think it will happen, quite possibly the last nail required to ensure that coffin is finally sealed shut with yet more supporters turning their back on the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 iT appears to be the favoured option amongst promoters at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 I would prefer one big league.More variety more matches.People like continuity and therefore matches most weeks.At Lynn we have had gaps of 5 weeks,supporters don't want that.Some Elite league snobs knock the championship but you get as good racing in that as the top league.Actually it's probably better.So what we may lose a few riders,and it would only be a few but I think it would bring a few more fans back imo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Can somebody provide an accurate figure illustrating the actual number of riders who have/are racing in the top two uk divisions so far during 2018. Then if you take this number and divide it by 9 (to allow for riders retired/injured/racing abroad/other reasons for not being available etc) then we would have fairly accurate idea of how many teams we could have in one league. This approach assumes we would still have those top riders like Doyley but there clearly would be a massive gulf in class between a teams number 1 and it’s number 7. If you want to remove the current top guys then you need to subtract 10 from the number of riders currently riding (the first number I referred to) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 That also assumes the 'one league' option will have 7-rider teams?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: That also assumes the 'one league' option will have 7-rider teams?! Think we’d need National League riders to make the teams up to 7 riders and another problem is rider income take Chris Harris for example he curently rides for Poole and Glasgow I’d have thought one big league would mean less meetings for double up riders ,one big league is a good idea though it has been done before and failed but speedway is on its knees compared to when it was last tried . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Even if enough riders could be found this needs to be done properly so that each team starts the season with a competitive team, not like the mess of 1995. I like the idea of regular and varied fixtures with local derbies again but it needs to be done properly.....no confidence that the current crop of promoters could achieve that unfortunately. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: That also assumes the 'one league' option will have 7-rider teams?! Good point. However, start with what we currently have as the first assumption and if that does not look right/won’t work then explore other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Can somebody provide an accurate figure illustrating the actual number of riders who have/are racing in the top two uk divisions so far during 2018. Then if you take this number and divide it by 9 (to allow for riders retired/injured/racing abroad/other reasons for not being available etc) then we would have fairly accurate idea of how many teams we could have in one league. This approach assumes we would still have those top riders like Doyley but there clearly would be a massive gulf in class between a teams number 1 and it’s number 7. If you want to remove the current top guys then you need to subtract 10 from the number of riders currently riding (the first number I referred to) 150 were listed in 2017, so there are plenty. For every rider that retires or doesn’t return new ones have come in. Every team should be required to have a young Brit at reserve on a proper average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 I was under the impression that a 14 strong semi-pro league had been mooted already? The other teams would run at CL level with no double up / down and no fixture clashes. Might save the sport or rather delay its demise. Might not if nothing else much changes like processional chasing in 75% of heats and poor track preparation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Haza said: Think we’d need National League riders to make the teams up to 7 riders and another problem is rider income take Chris Harris for example he curently rides for Poole and Glasgow I’d have thought one big league would mean less meetings for double up riders ,one big league is a good idea though it has been done before and failed but speedway is on its knees compared to when it was last tried . Oh no it didn't (fail) - amalgamation of National League and Provincial League was very much a success 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Can somebody provide an accurate figure illustrating the actual number of riders who have/are racing in the top two uk divisions so far during 2018. Then if you take this number and divide it by 9 (to allow for riders retired/injured/racing abroad/other reasons for not being available etc) then we would have fairly accurate idea of how many teams we could have in one league. This approach assumes we would still have those top riders like Doyley but there clearly would be a massive gulf in class between a teams number 1 and it’s number 7. If you want to remove the current top guys then you need to subtract 10 from the number of riders currently riding (the first number I referred to) There are several tracks running at a big loss and likely to close, so there'll be likely to be a number of riders spare, even accounting for stopping doubling up. Edited July 27, 2018 by foamfence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Midland Red said: Oh no it didn't (fail) - amalgamation of National League and Provincial League was very much a success It was great and very much the saviour of the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, DC2 said: 150 were listed in 2017, so there are plenty. For every rider that retires or doesn’t return new ones have come in. Every team should be required to have a young Brit at reserve on a proper average. Riders retiring/none returnees are for the majority replaced by lower class riders or expensive/untried imports. Whilst neither are totally bad it does represent a higher attrition rate of 2 riders per club per year so dividing the 150 by 10 means we could at a stretch field 15 teams in one league. Assuming the current top riders are included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Riders retiring/none returnees are for the majority replaced by lower class riders or expensive/untried imports. Whilst neither are totally bad it does represent a higher attrition rate of 2 riders per club per year so dividing the 150 by 10 means we could at a stretch field 15 teams in one league. Assuming the current top riders are included That wouldn’t be my calculation, but I’ll let you run with it if you insist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Riders retiring/none returnees are for the majority replaced by lower class riders or expensive/untried imports. Whilst neither are totally bad it does represent a higher attrition rate of 2 riders per club per year so dividing the 150 by 10 means we could at a stretch field 15 teams in one league. Assuming the current top riders are included I. was thinking without the likes of Doyley/Iversen riding these two teams as examples shows the level of rider we will have. - Poole 1.Kurtz. 2.Starke 3.J.Holder. 4. Klindt 5.Jacobsen. 6.Lidsey?? 7.Jenkins. - Ipswich. 1.King. 2. Heeps 3. Schlein 4.Covatti. 5.H.Andersen. 6.Hume. 7.Kemp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 In ‘97 in think, we ran teams with a blank in the main team. The other four members took the rides similar to R/R. If we operated this again it would ease the rider shortage worries some have, keep the standard up and address the drop in earning that will inevitably occur, as in essence every four meeting would be equivalent to five in term of rides taken. The problem you have is if R/R was required. I’ll have to dig out the programmes from that year to see what went on or maybe someone could add to the discussion. I also think we should use NL riders at reserve with protected heats but this time get the averages weighted correctly to properly reflect their ability and no moving out of that position all season ( like the Poles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Fred Flange said: I'm surprised it's taken so long When CVS was Chairman, he used to be against the one big league idea from what I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Midland Red said: Oh no it didn't (fail) - amalgamation of National League and Provincial League was very much a success That may we’ll have been the case but I’m talking about the one big league of 1990s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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