Leicester v Poole Monday 30th July 2018 Prem B.

[LisaColette]

53 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Indeed, just shows how weak Britain is now despite having 'protected' race nights and that Poland still do whatever they like.

Well of course, they know the pay difference talks!

[flagrag]

I have heard tonight that Leicester are getting clarity on the Josh G situation so that the correct action is taken. If he doesn’t ride then it should be a NL replacement.

I just hope this can be sorted before the meeting as do want a situation where Leicester ride under protest and then a ruling is made where RR points get deducted 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

1 minute ago, flagrag said:

I have heard tonight that Leicester are getting clarity on the Josh G situation so that the correct action is taken. If he doesn’t ride then it should be a NL replacement.

I just hope this can be sorted before the meeting as do want a situation where Leicester ride under protest and then a ruling is made where RR points get deducted 

There is no 'ride under protest' option

The decision has to be made before and is then final according to the regs

Mind you if you can ignore one reg then why not another and then another

Eventually why bother at all....

[LisaColette]

5 minutes ago, flagrag said:

I have heard tonight that Leicester are getting clarity on the Josh G situation so that the correct action is taken. If he doesn’t ride then it should be a NL replacement.

I just hope this can be sorted before the meeting as do want a situation where Leicester ride under protest and then a ruling is made where RR points get deducted 

It's alright deducting points off a team but where do those points go? They don't give them to the opposition!

[flagrag]

Lisa Collette- Also the rider that has scored the extra points will want paying for them as well. As I said hopefully this can all be clarified in the morning and not left for Ref to sort out at the track.

It is an especially complex situation as Josh is riding on a Polish license so PZM have denied his start permission to ride in UK which then opens a problem with riders insurance. 

Leicester had this problem a few seasons ago when Wozniak wanted to ride for Leicester and PZM wouldn’t issue his start permit as his club Wroclaw wanted him to practice he physically could not ride for the Lions without the correct paperwork.

Relations are not the best between PZM and SCB after the Chris Harris situation earlier this year so don’t know which way this will go as it’s UK priority but rider is on license of second country 

Edited July 29, 2018 by flagrag

[OldRacer]

3 minutes ago, flagrag said:

Lisa Collette- Also the rider that has scored the extra points will want paying for them as well. As I said hopefully this can all be clarified in the morning and not left for Ref to sort out at the track.

It is an especially complex situation as Josh is riding on a Polish license so PZM have denied his start permission to ride in UK which then opens a problem with riders insurance. 

Leicester had this problem a few seasons ago when Wozniak wanted to ride for Leicester and PZM wouldn’t issue his start permit as his club Wroclaw wanted him to practice he physically could not ride for the Lions without the correct paperwork 

The Wozniak situation was prior to the agreement on fixed race nights across the main leagues. 

[Steve Shovlar]

The way I see it (and others won’t) is that none of this is Poole’s fault. From what I can gather Poole had been working to get Josh to Leicester for tonights meeting. But the PZM have refused to budge and won’t allow him to ride here, even though the UK has priority on Mondays. They have said he must ride for Lodz even though it is against the agreements which were put in place to stop this from happening. The rider has been placed in an impossible position by the PZM.

Leicester are now trying to use this to their advantage. Rather than accept that Poole can do absolutely nothing about this as it is out of their hands they really should accept that r/r is the fairest solution.

Of course the majority on here will completely disagree with the last sentence. If Poole are forced to use a 3 pointer so be it but it is just penalising a club that could do nothing about this  situation.

 

 

[Big Al]

R/R would be most fair to get around the immediate problem, but the matter shouldn't be allowed to rest and be brushed under the carpet, it ought to be taken to the FIM because Poland has acted illegally.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

11 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The way I see it (and others won’t) is that none of this is Poole’s fault. From what I can gather Poole had been working to get Josh to Leicester for tonights meeting. But the PZM have refused to budge and won’t allow him to ride here, even though the UK has priority on Mondays. They have said he must ride for Lodz even though it is against the agreements which were put in place to stop this from happening. The rider has been placed in an impossible position by the PZM.

Leicester are now trying to use this to their advantage. Rather than accept that Poole can do absolutely nothing about this as it is out of their hands they really should accept that r/r is the fairest solution.

Of course the majority on here will completely disagree with the last sentence. If Poole are forced to use a 3 pointer so be it but it is just penalising a club that could do nothing about this  situation.

 

 

Poole of course have had control of the situation by choosing to sign and retain a rider on a Polish licence - just the same as where clubs have had to deal with the Denmark situation

The regs re any facility or not should therefore be followed - to not do so is just plain wrong

What next - a club wants to sign a rider but it takes them to 42.51. Should that club just say "Dont penalise us - he wasnt riding for us when he scored those points so it was outside our control"

Sounds ridiculous? Yes it does - but ignore one regulation and where does it stop......

[foreverblue]

16 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The way I see it (and others won’t) is that none of this is Poole’s fault. From what I can gather Poole had been working to get Josh to Leicester for tonights meeting. But the PZM have refused to budge and won’t allow him to ride here, even though the UK has priority on Mondays. They have said he must ride for Lodz even though it is against the agreements which were put in place to stop this from happening. The rider has been placed in an impossible position by the PZM.

Leicester are now trying to use this to their advantage. Rather than accept that Poole can do absolutely nothing about this as it is out of their hands they really should accept that r/r is the fairest solution.

Of course the majority on here will completely disagree with the last sentence. If Poole are forced to use a 3 pointer so be it but it is just penalising a club that could do nothing about this  situation.

 

 

Then surely it is up to Josh to tell pzm to stick it and ride for Poole, he doesn't even ride every meeting for them anyway .This rule about getting a NL rider isn't fair on the team or the paying public but it's the rule so should be adhered to.  If this was a Leicester rider Poole would be trying to use it to their advantage too. 

[Big Al]

Doesn't the International Leagues agreement now take precedence over everything? Including which license a rider has? 

The Wednesdays/Thursdays fudge doesn't leave the UK with a leg to stand on with the DMU re Wednesdays but it seems that the DMU is being reasonable. With Mondays it is clear-cut re which league has priority, and in this case the rider has a contract with a UK club to ride on Mondays but is being prevented from doing so by his parent authority.

 

[Steve Shovlar]

15 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Then surely it is up to Josh to tell pzm to stick it and ride for Poole, he doesn't even ride every meeting for them anyway .This rule about getting a NL rider isn't fair on the team or the paying public but it's the rule so should be adhered to.  If this was a Leicester rider Poole would be trying to use it to their advantage too. 

Josh can’t tell the PZM to stick it. By doing so they would withdraw his license to ride meaning he wouldn’t be able to ride anywhere.

 

[Trackrat]

43 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Of course the majority on here will completely disagree with the last sentence

By writing this even you believe what your saying is a complete load of pro Poole tosh.

[DC2]

59 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

 

If Poole are forced to use a 3 pointer so be it but it is just penalising a club that could do nothing about this  situation.

 

 

You could off-set the loss of Josh by having another three pointer replace Woryna!  

 

[Steve0]

12 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

He rides on a Polish lisence and the reason he was forced to ride in Poland.

r/r so Woryna, Klindt and Jakobsen take his rides.

Polish license or not - UK has priority on Mondays.  If he rides in Poland and Poole use a facility for him - then it’s an automatic 28 day ban!

Edited July 30, 2018 by Steve0

[Big Al]

If a rider simply just doesn't show up for a match he's been booked to ride in, what do the current regs say his team can do in terms of replacing his rides? 

[Steve Shovlar]

1 minute ago, Big Al said:

If a rider simply just doesn't show up for a match he's been booked to ride in, what do the current regs say his team can do in terms of replacing his rides? 

Nl 6 pointer or r/r with missing rider receiving fine and 28 day ban.

[Steve0]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The way I see it (and others won’t) is that none of this is Poole’s fault. From what I can gather Poole had been working to get Josh to Leicester for tonights meeting. But the PZM have refused to budge and won’t allow him to ride here, even though the UK has priority on Mondays. They have said he must ride for Lodz even though it is against the agreements which were put in place to stop this from happening. The rider has been placed in an impossible position by the PZM.

Leicester are now trying to use this to their advantage. Rather than accept that Poole can do absolutely nothing about this as it is out of their hands they really should accept that r/r is the fairest solution.

Of course the majority on here will completely disagree with the last sentence. If Poole are forced to use a 3 pointer so be it but it is just penalising a club that could do nothing about this  situation.

 

 

It’s not about Poole - it’s about the rules - those very same rules that you often hide behind.  If the same happened to a Swindon rider i’d Be saying the same.  The “fairest” thing is that Poole follow the rules.  If they use RR then Scrabble gets a 28 day ban and if they use a NL rider then he can ride in the next Poole meeting - it is that simple and the federation license he holds is totally irrelevant! 

Edited July 30, 2018 by Steve0

[Steve0]

12 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Nl 6 pointer or r/r with missing rider receiving fine and 28 day ban.

There you go - you even know the rules - but want to relax them because it’s Poole?

[Steve Shovlar]

Interestingly Poole site now has Josh in lineup with no mention of him riding for Lodz. Perhaps the PZM have seen common sense and relented.