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Brummies v Plymouth NL Wed 25th July


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35 minutes ago, martin_t said:

You do know Cradley will be without Kemp and Bickley,and possibly having a non-attached 3 pointer for Bradley Andrews?

But are the select side not allowed guests for Kemp & Bickley?   If they are then they could replace with Morley for Kemp & Stoneman/Clegg for Bickley?  With Hampshire at reserve & hitting some big scores recently (including paid 15 tonight) they are not going to be any weaker.    Cant see anything but NL Select v Mild in the final.

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52 minutes ago, martin_t said:

You do know Cradley will be without Kemp and Bickley,and possibly having a non-attached 3 pointer for Bradley Andrews?

You only need to find riders of the calibre of Macaulay Leek to replace your missing stars and you'll still have the thrashing of us next week.

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7 hours ago, uk_martin said:

You only need to find riders of the calibre of Macaulay Leek to replace your missing stars and you'll still have the thrashing of us next week.

Which 3 point unsigned riders can even get close to that level though. If there were any available they would be signed by now, such is the poor standard of the many of the current reserves.

 

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13 hours ago, brianbuck said:

Amazing how many "supporters" will say that they will support their team "through thick and thin" but who really mean "as long as there is no thin." 

Birmingham's performance against Plymouth was a poor one - probably the Brummies poorest display since we lost 63-27 to Cradley Heath in our first fixture of the National League era. There is no other way of describing it, but at the start of the season, pretty much everyone was more than happy with the team we had assembled and no one could have foreseen the injuries suffered by key riders and the loss of form of others, and it's totally unfair to try to suggest that the Team Manager ought to have known it was coming, so this is surely the time that the team does get real support?                                           

Although I have a lot of respect for your 'support/knowledge' of Birmingham speedway, I sure am glad that you're not the owner !

How you can support someone of Rogers calibre is beyond me? you only have to read on this site what a trail of destruction he's left at other clubs and his total lack of team managing skills has been most evident this season already.....'regardless of injuries' !

He's a clown and a lying one at that !

You carry a lot of weight at Perry Barr Brian and it scares me for the future of our club to hear you give him your backing ?

Please explain why he lied at Buxton about the permit ??? please explain why he's stuck by Callum Walker all season ??? please explain why he's thrown Jamie Sealey straight in to NL matches 2 months after a nasty injury (with no race practice) ??? please explain why he was still laughing and joking immediately during/after that shocking performance against Plymouth ??? please explain why he keeps insisting that the track is poorly prepared week in week out ????

You mention about sticking with the team and getting behind them???

I'll be supporting Brummies long after that moron has been sacked and I'll definitely get behind him and help push him out the door !!!

It's about time people grew a pair and stood up for right/wrong....and this 'guy' is wrong !

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11 hours ago, flipper11 said:

But are the select side not allowed guests for Kemp & Bickley?   If they are then they could replace with Morley for Kemp & Stoneman/Clegg for Bickley?  With Hampshire at reserve & hitting some big scores recently (including paid 15 tonight) they are not going to be any weaker.    Cant see anything but NL Select v Mild in the final.

Bugger....if that's the case Drew Kemp will be riding against Cradley ....noooooo !!!

The rules baffle me these days,aren't guests only allowed for the number 1?

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12 hours ago, flipper11 said:

But are the select side not allowed guests for Kemp & Bickley? 

If  2 riders are missing in the 1-5 they are allowed R/R for one and a guest for the other.      

 

It's a ridiculous scenario though.   The Cradley all stars should only be able to use replacements up to Kemp and Bickley's starting average within the 39 point limit.  They shouldn't be able to use massively higher guests based on Kemp and Bickley's improved form for Mildenhall and Belle Vue.   They should always have to have 7 riders up to 39 points.

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26 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said:

If  2 riders are missing in the 1-5 they are allowed R/R for one and a guest for the other.      

It's a ridiculous scenario though.   The Cradley all stars should only be able to use replacements up to Kemp and Bickley's starting average within the 39 point limit.  They shouldn't be able to use massively higher guests based on Kemp and Bickley's improved form for Mildenhall and Belle Vue.   They should always have to have 7 riders up to 39 points.

Also what about the final if Cradley get there. They will have probably 2 guests for Kemp and Ayres not because of injury or riding in the championship but because they are riding for the opposition!!, how farcical. How do you explain that to a newcomer to this sport.

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1 hour ago, WalterPlinge said:

If  2 riders are missing in the 1-5 they are allowed R/R for one and a guest for the other.      

 

It's a ridiculous scenario though.   The Cradley all stars should only be able to use replacements up to Kemp and Bickley's starting average within the 39 point limit.  They shouldn't be able to use massively higher guests based on Kemp and Bickley's improved form for Mildenhall and Belle Vue.   They should always have to have 7 riders up to 39 points.

Who knows the rules but i thought you can have a guest for a missing No1 whatever the reason for him missing a match, but you can also have a guest if a 2nd rider is missing at the same time because he is riding for another team, whether that means a team in a higher league or the same league i don't no!?  r/r would come into play if that 2nd rider is missing because of injury.

Have to agree with you about the averages but that is why Cradley carefully selected riders that would add the most points to their starting averages thus guaranteeing them the strongest possible team as the season goes on & an almost dead cert trophy.

 

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23 minutes ago, flipper11 said:

Who knows the rules but i thought you can have a guest for a missing No1 whatever the reason for him missing a match, but you can also have a guest if a 2nd rider is missing at the same time because he is riding for another team, whether that means a team in a higher league or the same league i don't no!?  r/r would come into play if that 2nd rider is missing because of injury.

Can have a guest for a missing No.1 whatever the reason...  but I don't think either of the missing riders are the No.1 are they?

From No.2 - 5  it has to be R/R first and then a guest(s) if two or more are missing.  (However you can have a guest if a missing 2-5 is missing because they have a clash of bookings in the Premiership or Championship). 

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Harsh reality is Cradley have picked the cream from the Southern group and the averages from 1st August show a 10+ point difference between the two sides. Brum are better than the performance against Plymouth and will know how the track is providing the weather stays hot. Even with an unattached 3 pointer at reserve that is largely where the difference will occur. Difficulty most neutrals want to see Cradley dumped out but if they are to have any chance of survival winning is a must and nobody wants to see a team fold even if it is the Heathens.

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45 minutes ago, iand said:

Bickley also rides for Workington and Kemp also due to start with Ipswich next month

They're not doubling up  in CL for Workington and Ipswich on Wednesday, so they have to use  1 x R/R  and 1 x G on Wednesday.

9 hours ago, Heathen1984 said:

Not what ive just been told by some1 that obviously knows!

Some 1 that obviously doesn't know the rules for NL facilities:

 

Rule 19.10 d)  States that the facility for:         Two Absent riders (2-5)        1 x RR and 1 x G (Team Manager's discretion)

However in some case Rule 19.10 a) overrides this as it says the facility for:        Any Absent Rider       G (who must be in a NDL Line-Up) or RR.   (If on Premiership or Championship Duty).

 

So there you have it.  Quite clear.   Cradley must use 1 x RR and 1 x G under rule 19.10 d).  

The only way they could have had 2 guests would be if both riders were missing because of Premiership or Championship duty (which they're not).    Hopefully Main Man Rogers is on top of this, or else more Brummie fans will be accusing him of incompetence and demanding his sacking.

 

 

 

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