IainB Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 Why no GP in Russia? 2 GP riders and a massive crowd for the SEC round a few years ago would seem a no brainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghostwalker said: I disagree. There was a good GP in Prague 2-3 years ago. Since then the GPs there have been the usual gating paradise. Vojens is basically the same. The track has lots of potential but the grading is usually super slick unless it has rained. I was there this year, 2nd half of the meeting was Superb. Since about 2014/15 the racing in Prague has been very good. Such a shame about Horsens that was a lovely stadium and there were some cracking GPs there. I hope they can find some nice new venues soon 2 hours ago, MARK246 said: The GP's have lost their way and have become dull and stale, that is why numbers are down. Cant say that is true. At most GPs there was som superb racing, there were a lot of big crowds this year, BT are happy with it. Its not all doom and gloom. As much as many on here like to project... Edited October 10, 2018 by RPNY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, iainb said: Why no GP in Russia? 2 GP riders and a massive crowd for the SEC round a few years ago would seem a no brainer Hoping the SON will be there. Stadium will be sold out for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, RPNY said: Cant say that is true. At most GPs there was som superb racing, there were a lot of big crowds this year, BT are happy with it. Its not all doom and gloom. As much as many on here like to project... Thats good to hear that BT are happy but they are not running the meetings. The lack of venues is a problem, less and less people prepared to risk their money in BSI's product. If the crowds were big they could recoup their investment, but it doesn't happen often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, MARK246 said: The lack of venues is a problem, less and less people prepared to risk their money in BSI's product. If the crowds were big they could recoup their investment, but it doesn't happen often. That much I cant disagree with you...Im not sure what BSI's business plan but I cant help but feel the opportunity is there to target some new markets. The Supercross over here have managed to do it. Some places they tried and failed but at least they gave it a go.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, DutchGrasstrack said: Hoping the SON will be there. Stadium will be sold out for sure. IT will be ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, RPNY said: The Supercross over here have managed to do it. Some places they tried and failed but at least they gave it a go.. Supercross is a younger sport, better suited to todays market. The venue choices in speedway are limited, most tracks I have been too are "in fields with nothing around". Eskilstua had a near 9,000 crowd for the play off final, the GP was run there in the past, but never to that size of crowd. So the product doesn't attract support in numbers to make it pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, MARK246 said: Supercross is a younger sport, better suited to todays market. The venue choices in speedway are limited, most tracks I have been too are "in fields with nothing around". Eskilstua had a near 9,000 crowd for the play off final, the GP was run there in the past, but never to that size of crowd. So the product doesn't attract support in numbers to make it pay Dont fully agree with you. Its marketed better and a little more eye catching with the jumps and stuff. But I went to events in Toronto and at MetLife Stadium (NY Jets/Giants) and the demographic was pretty much identical to that of GPs Ive been to. Nascar ditto for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, DutchGrasstrack said: Hoping the SON will be there. Stadium will be sold out for sure. Another bit of brain dead management to have SON in Russia. The most difficlut place to get to for the huge majority of European fans and a terrible track for racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mark said: Another bit of brain dead management to have SON in Russia. The most difficlut place to get to for the huge majority of European fans and a terrible track for racing. Cant begrudge far off venues getting ONE event. They are also the reigning champions.Even the Champions league Final was in the Ukraine this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, DutchGrasstrack said: Hoping the SON will be there. Stadium will be sold out for sure. 8 minutes ago, Mark said: Another bit of brain dead management to have SON in Russia. The most difficlut place to get to for the huge majority of European fans and a terrible track for racing. Well there we have it. Two posts about having SoN in Russia, presume Togliatti, and two completely opposing opinions. So is SoN Russia going to be a roaring success or a complete failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, RPNY said: Cant begrudge far off venues getting ONE event. They are also the reigning champions.Even the Champions league Final was in the Ukraine this year... You cant use the Champions League as an example. Loads of football played that side of Europe so they deserved a top game and the Euro's a few years ago. I think the country geared up for a huge influx of fans, laws were relaxed, policing, visa's etc Speedway is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Well there we have it. Two posts about having SoN in Russia, presume Togliatti, and two completely opposing opinions. So is SoN Russia going to be a roaring success or a complete failure. It may not be a failure but, reading this forum, the track is poor for racing. It's from the gate in most races. Crowds may be decent but not many will travel from the hard core of European fans who support the GP / SWC / SON each year. The track is in the middle of nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mark said: Another bit of brain dead management to have SON in Russia. The most difficlut place to get to for the huge majority of European fans and a terrible track for racing. If they fill it with Ruskies... Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, iainb said: If they fill it with Ruskies... Who cares? you miss the point, read the post above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mark said: It may not be a failure but, reading this forum, the track is poor for racing. It's from the gate in most races. Crowds may be decent but not many will travel from the hard core of European fans who support the GP / SWC / SON each year. The track is in the middle of nowhere. You can fly to Samara from Prague then get a taxi to Togliatti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Mark said: You cant use the Champions League as an example. Loads of football played that side of Europe so they deserved a top game and the Euro's a few years ago. I think the country geared up for a huge influx of fans, laws were relaxed, policing, visa's etc Speedway is different. The main idea is that people who dont get to see top level Football were graced with the biggest game in Europe, that principal is now being applied to speedway. A counter argument to yours is the Russians saying why should we always have to travel... If it was a regular occurrence I would agree with you (I was praying for a GP or SON in Manchester) however I still think you cannot possibly begrudge ONE world final being held there... Also the track can produce good racing. Been some brillaint Euro Champ meetings there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, MARK246 said: You can fly to Samara from Prague then get a taxi to Togliatti Or a short 14 hour drive from Moscow hahahahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, RPNY said: Or a short 14 hour drive from Moscow hahahahahahaha Been there done that, trust me it's better to fly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Mark said: you miss the point, read the post above I've read your post and I think I do fail to get the point unless the point is it's not convenient for people who have the convenience of all of the other top class speedway on their doorsteps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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