Grand Central Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: STRANGELY the night speedway World Finals were held never came up in my history lessons. Ah you went to the wrong school then ... I won't tell you what we studied in Biology ... But I was top of the class in the practical lessons. Edited July 24, 2018 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 Who exactly are the 40,00 who attend Cardiff? Probably only around half that figure regularly attend normal speedway in a week so that leaves a sizeable chunk who apparently only support this one meeting. Factor in also that not everyone of the regular speedway crowd will visit Cardiff and the mystery 'one meeting only attendees' crowd is even bigger. Just puzzled, that's all! Despite what doom merchants say it is clear that the Cardiff crowds have held firm over 15 years with little sign (thankfully), of the bubble bursting in direct contrast to the dwindling domestic attendance. Cardiff truly is a dream event for a sport that is otherwise on it's knees. For as long as we have this glorious showpiece event, there will always be hope. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 20 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Whats with the moans? Kids dont go to school Saturdays or Sundays so no problems there. The excuse it will be too cold is an imbecilic comment. Septembers can be balmy and Julys wet. Not much difference. As for football, as someone else has pointed out, the GP is a one off. Crowd could be bigger than normal. Maybe you have no interest in football but there are some fans on here who probably spend upwards of 800 quid on a season ticket and probably wont want to miss a home match. The date next year is also the same day as T20 finals day in Birmingham, another clash . I do think the clashes , plus it not being in the height of summer will affect the attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) A large number of the Cardiff 'extras' are from extended family ... My wife and her son & hispartner do Cardiff most years but don't/won't go to anything else. But that is not really down to the Speedway ... More due to the weekend away in Cardiff we tend to have with the meeting just part of that. I get the feeling that is quite a widespread situation. Also tend to see quite a few people who don't have a local track of their own any more but have got into the habit of making the annual trip to the GP. I don't think many of the extras i see or know if would ever be candidates for other British Speedway events though, no matter what the BSPA do... Cardiff has created its own niche ... Totally separate from anything else. EDIT ... one thing I already know is that whilst I am totally happy with a September date i may well have to go alone next year as my fickle 'extras' have already expressed their doubts... We shall see nearer the time. Edited July 24, 2018 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, Grand Central said: Ah you went to the wrong school then ... I won't tell you what we studied in Biology ... But I was top of the class in the practical lessons. Did you have a Catholic priest as teacher? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerblade Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 10:13 AM, bigcatdiary said: I think this date makes the Pairs unlikely to be the day before as has become the norm, kids back at school, weather at that time of the year makes it a real gamble as is the GP. Kids have been at school (or at least, supposed to be) when the Pairs were on the Fridays earlier in July in past years, why is September so different? (Once again, I know Scotland is different re school holidays) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 Maybe we should all sit tight and pass judgement once it happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, keepturningleft said: Who exactly are the 40,00 who attend Cardiff? Probably only around half that figure regularly attend normal speedway in a week so that leaves a sizeable chunk who apparently only support this one meeting. Factor in also that not everyone of the regular speedway crowd will visit Cardiff and the mystery 'one meeting only attendees' crowd is even bigger. Just puzzled, that's all! Despite what doom merchants say it is clear that the Cardiff crowds have held firm over 15 years with little sign (thankfully), of the bubble bursting in direct contrast to the dwindling domestic attendance. Cardiff truly is a dream event for a sport that is otherwise on it's knees. For as long as we have this glorious showpiece event, there will always be hope. That’s because the Cardiff GP provides everyone attending with a great racetrack, great racing, good entertainment, good view and seats. Its not cheap but it is a great day out. Now compare that with Swindon v Leicester on BT sport last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: That’s because the Cardiff GP provides everyone attending with a great racetrack, great racing, good entertainment, good view and seats. Its not cheap but it is a great day out. Now compare that with Swindon v Leicester on BT sport last night. You are correct about all the Cardiff attributes you list. And are right to identify the horror show from Blunsdon last night ... But the extra Cardiff attendees I know of would not be going to Swindon on a Monday night even if they were serving up the best Speedway fayre ever produced. They still wouldn't be interested. Just to make clear that is offering no defence of the shameful nature of last night. Cardiff is just different in ever so many many ways for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kluson Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 3:14 PM, Grand Central said: You are correct about all the Cardiff attributes you list. And are right to identify the horror show from Blunsdon last night ... But the extra Cardiff attendees I know of would not be going to Swindon on a Monday night even if they were serving up the best Speedway fayre ever produced. They still wouldn't be interested. Just to make clear that is offering no defence of the shameful nature of last night. Cardiff is just different in ever so many many ways for them. Sadly speedway has become unattractive, The facilities at Swindon are dreadful. The loos are a disgrace, the food dreadful, Stadium very tired. Track preparation all year has been iffy bends 1 and 2 like a dust storm.. The sun goes down right over bends 3 and four making viewing from start finish not great. I am not picking on Swindon, many of our beloved sport"s tracks are no better.Hence the sport attracts "enthusiasts "who are prepared to put up with that. After all a lot of us are happy to stand in a muddy field watching grass track. Then have a look at the riders available to watch, if you are an armchair fan, watching Grand Prix, then British speedway is a little like watching the third division in football. The big stars are not here. I have a mate who comes with us every year to Cardiff , wouldn't miss it, but league racing in the UK no longer appeals to him, his choice. Just think if you were not an enthusiastic speedway fan, would you dream of taking a date to the Speedway, Don't think she would be too impressed. Sorry but the society we live in these days has high expectations , and British Speedway just doesn't deliver on so many counts. This is such a shame for the Sport I have loved for so many years!, I hate to watch it die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenantony Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Noticed that most of the hotels were unavailable already - making sure they have the prices right before releasing rooms! And it could be Cardiff v Swansea as it will be a whole new season in September 2019, who knows what divisions they could be in? It would however be highly unlikely the police would allow an clash of resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 11 hours ago, glenantony said: Noticed that most of the hotels were unavailable already - making sure they have the prices right before releasing rooms! And it could be Cardiff v Swansea as it will be a whole new season in September 2019, who knows what divisions they could be in? It would however be highly unlikely the police would allow an clash of resources you would need a lot of things to fall right for that fixture to land on the same day. No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mark said: you would need a lot of things to fall right for that fixture to land on the same day. No chance. Cardiff v Bournemouth, lunchtime kickoff. Sorted! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewarkInvaders Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 The one obvious reason for this would be weather. Cardiff being indoors makes it perfect for the more risky dates jn the calender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andys Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Was there any reasons giving in the speedway star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 54 minutes ago, andys said: Was there any reasons giving in the speedway star? YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: YES Think they will get more locals in September- they will lose more to football than attrack locals but they know best ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andys Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: YES You don't have to shout just asking wot the reason was... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, andys said: Was there any reasons giving in the speedway star? Well I read what Torben had to say ... 1) Cardiff would be more attractive nearer the business end of the Championship where the meeting could be more 'vital' in the title race 2) moving away from the 'holiday season' will allow more fans to attend and this would be specifically the case for 'locals' 3) the later date should have a 'positive effect' on accommodation price. I cannot help being sceptical about his words though .... I have never heard anyone say they avoided attending Cardiff due to it being too early in the title chase but would suddenly do so if it were only 'more vital'. Most Cardiffs have been last week June to second week July which is generally not holiday season for most people. Goodness know why 'local' Cardiff folk would suddenly start attending in September when they have studiously avoided doing so for 18 years before . And I fully expect that the hotels will screw everyone in September just the same as July, especially as the Uni accommodation may be unavailable as well. I presume the Stadium is just not being offered to them any earlier than September for other reasons and he is just spinning it the best way he can. PS I am fine with September ... Just a little less BS from BSI would be nice. Edited July 30, 2018 by Grand Central 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) On 7/30/2018 at 12:58 PM, Grand Central said: Well I read what Torben had to say ... 1) Cardiff would be more attractive nearer the business end of the Championship where the meeting could be more 'vital' in the title race 2) moving away from the 'holiday season' will allow more fans to attend and this would be specifically the case for 'locals' 3) the later date should have a 'positive effect' on accommodation price. I cannot help being sceptical about his words though .... I have never heard anyone say they avoided attending Cardiff due to it being too early in the title chase but would suddenly do so if it were only 'more vital'. Most Cardiffs have been last week June to second week July which is generally not holiday season for most people. Goodness know why 'local' Cardiff folk would suddenly start attending in September when they have studiously avoided doing so for 18 years before . And I fully expect that the hotels will screw everyone in September just the same as July, especially as the Uni accommodation may be unavailable as well. I presume the Stadium is just not being offered to them any earlier than September for other reasons and he is just spinning it the best way he can. PS I am fine with September ... Just a little less BS from BSI would be nice. No1) I agree with The prices at the hotels get hiked when there is an event on. I can't see the time of year will make a difference.... As for local interest? oh please! Edited July 31, 2018 by Jacques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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