Birmingham Statement

[adonis]

Come to think of it , a couple of riders have had 28 day bans for bringing the sport into disrepute , this must apply to rogers ,so lets have  him banned  . 

 

[Argos]

Re Rogers, On this forum he’s “Main Man” on the Birmingham fans forum it’s “Bossman” Says it about him really 

[Halifaxtiger]

On ‎7‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 6:20 PM, Argos said:

Very interesting Statement on the Official Birmingham Website re the Buxton v Birmingham’s Fixture, Confirming that Lawrence Rogers was telling lies when he stated he had written Confirmation off the BSPA that Mr Flint Snr could ride in the meeting, hope he does the decent thing and resigns.

 

 

First of all, I should say that I count Laurence Rogers as a friend and have done for many years. Might be seen, then, that my remarks are biased.

Then again, I doubt if they are much more prejudiced than many of the comments made on this thread.

Interesting that  a King's Lynn fan chooses to comment on an incident that took place 15 years ago. Bearing in mind that his promoter is now presiding over - and some might suggest help to create - the worst crisis in speedway that Phil Rising has ever known perhaps he would be better pointing fingers about bad practice and incompetence a little closer to home. The sort of disastrous errors he has made - including blowing hundreds of thousands of pounds on engines that no rider wants to buy - make Laurence's failings look positively trivial.

A team manager might - and it is a case of might, because the Birmingham website says 'oversight' and  'assumption' - have told lies about a team make up and there are demands for him to be sacked and disciplined. Presumably this is on the basis that no member of speedway management has ever told lies before 

A mechanic once told me that there is a sure way to know when a speedway promoter is lying : his lips move. Bit drastic, but I suspect we all know where he is coming from so to single Laurence Rogers out here is the height of hypocrisy and almost certainly the result of people with an axe to grind. You should hear what my pals at Plymouth have to say about the commercial marketing of the Devils over the last few seasons, for example. It's not pleasant.

One thing I can say for certain : of all the hundreds of speedway people I have met over the years - mostly fans, but riders, promoters, team managers and sponsors as well - no -one is more passionate about and dedicated to this sport of ours than Laurence Rogers.  

EDIT : One final point : Laurence was never paid any travelling expenses by Mildenhall Speedway.

Edited July 28, 2018 by Halifaxtiger

[therefused]

Sorry Rogers is a moron, can we get him moved out of Speedway in this country now before he puts more clubs in trouble. 

[Guest GiveusaB]

Because of my 'negative' views/opinions of Rogers.....they are trying to ban me from commenting on the Brummies forum 

I haven't been abusive or called him names....apart from 'liar' and 'clown' ??

What's the word coming to?

Birmingham will be going down faster than the titanic with Rogers in charge!

Some Birmingham fans are 'blind' !

 

[Halifaxtiger]

11 hours ago, GiveusaB said:

Because of my 'negative' views/opinions of Rogers.....they are trying to ban me from commenting on the Brummies forum 

I haven't been abusive or called him names....apart from 'liar' and 'clown' ??

What's the word coming to?

Birmingham will be going down faster than the titanic with Rogers in charge!

Some Birmingham fans are 'blind' !

 

Par for the course on an official forum. As long as you are praising the club to the skies you are OK. Anything critical - however fair or reasonable - and you're history.

Mind you, 'clown' and 'liar' are undoubtedly abusive and if your posts are couched in those terms you are asking for a ban.

[Bagpuss]

17 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

First of all, I should say that I count Laurence Rogers as a friend and have done for many years. Might be seen, then, that my remarks are biased.

Then again, I doubt if they are much more prejudiced than many of the comments made on this thread.

Interesting that  a King's Lynn fan chooses to comment on an incident that took place 15 years ago. Bearing in mind that his promoter is now presiding over - and some might suggest help to create - the worst crisis in speedway that Phil Rising has ever known perhaps he would be better pointing fingers about bad practice and incompetence a little closer to home. The sort of disastrous errors he has made - including blowing hundreds of thousands of pounds on engines that no rider wants to buy - make Laurence's failings look positively trivial.

I accept all of what you say but the cock up with Trevor Harding's average and that night of 'engine failures' at Lynn are as bad as anything we've ever experienced at the Norfolk Arena. 

I'm certainly not interested in hanging Mr Rogers out to dry or abusing him but the facts over the years speak for themselves and how many clubs he has been at in that time.

[Devilman]

In response to Halifax Tiger I will not comment on my predecessors or successors  but were it not for the group that I worked with Plymouth Devils would have folded two years ago. One does not come out of administration smelling of roses with a pot of money at the end of a rainbow.

Your comment reeks of saving the skin of your mate by throwing mud at everyone who has the courage to air their thoughts. There is so much more detail I could add but I think it is unnecessary, he is quite capable of hanging himself.  A real mate would be taking him aside and helping him to avoid these monumental calamities.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Devilman
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[Guest GiveusaB]

7 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Par for the course on an official forum. As long as you are praising the club to the skies you are OK. Anything critical - however fair or reasonable - and you're history.

Mind you, 'clown' and 'liar' are undoubtedly abusive and if your posts are couched in those terms you are asking for a ban.

Fair enough....'clown' was a bit generous and as for 'liar' ? when I see Gary Flints permit I'll apologize ?

[adonis]

20 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

First of all, I should say that I count Laurence Rogers as a friend and have done for many years. your admission  that this is the case negates any  excuses you may try to make  Might be seen, then, that my remarks are biased.

Then again, I doubt if they are much more prejudiced than many of the comments made on this thread.  the people making comments are doing it from experience and have every right  to be prejudiced just as you are , 

Interesting that  a King's Lynn fan chooses to comment on an incident that took place 15 years ago.interesting that Rogers has been involved in midoings  for that lenghth of time and has not yet learned that  the truth will out  Bearing in mind that his promoter is now presiding over - and some might suggest help to create - the worst crisis in speedway that Phil Rising has ever known perhaps he would be better pointing fingers about bad practice and incompetence a little closer to home. perhaps you would be better to stop trying to cover  for Rogers lying and cheating   by trying to divert attention to  completely unrelated  characters and incidents   The sort of disastrous errors he has made - including blowing hundreds of thousands of pounds on engines that no rider wants to buy - make Laurence's failings look positively trivial.

A team manager might - and it is a case of might, because the Birmingham website says 'oversight' and  'assumption' - have told lies about a team make up and there are demands for him to be sacked and disciplined. Presumably this is on the basis that no member of speedway management has ever told lies before   more unrelated nonsense , this is not a one off occasion  Rogers has a catalogue  of lies and cheating stretching back of many years 

A mechanic once told me that there is a sure way to know when a speedway Laurence Rogers  is lying : his lips move. Bit drastic, but I suspect we all know where he is coming from so to single Laurence Rogers out here is the height of hypocrisy and almost certainly the result of people with an axe to grind.y You should hear what my pals at Plymouth have to say about the commercial marketing of the Devils over the last few seasons, for example. It's not pleasant. and you should hear what many of my pals and riders and mechanics  have to say about Laurence Rogers 

One thing I can say for certain : of all the hundreds of speedway people I have met over the years - mostly fans, but riders, promoters, team managers and sponsors as well - no -one is more passionate about and dedicated to this sport of ours than Laurence Rogers.  and one thing i can say  is for every one of those people who don't really know what laurence rogers is like  there are 2 who do , and the number is growing ,     Social media is the worst enemy of liars and cheats ,and karma is bitch  when it jumps up and bites you , 

EDIT : One final point : Laurence was never paid any travelling expenses by Mildenhall Speedway.

 

[Halifaxtiger]

3 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

I accept all of what you say but the cock up with Trevor Harding's average and that night of 'engine failures' at Lynn are as bad as anything we've ever experienced at the Norfolk Arena. 

I'm certainly not interested in hanging Mr Rogers out to dry or abusing him but the facts over the years speak for themselves and how many clubs he has been at in that time.

To turn the argument around, you'd think that a reputation as an utter incompetent would become common knowledge and the person concerned would never get another post anywhere, wouldn't you ? 

This is what Peter Mole had to say in the Sheffield programme on Thursday :

'I must express my thanks to Laurence Rogers for stepping in on both occasions (as team manager  at Sheffield's meetings at Peterborough and Lakeside) and doing an excellent job.....and his decisions and motivation of the boys was spot on'.

Contrasts rather starkly with some of the comments we have, doesn't it ?

2 hours ago, Devilman said:

In response to Halifax Tiger I will not comment on my predecessors or successors  but were it not for the group that I worked with Plymouth Devils would have folded two years ago. One does not come out of administration smelling of roses with a pot of money at the end of a rainbow.

Your comment reeks of saving the skin of your mate by throwing mud at everyone who has the courage to air their thoughts. There is so much more detail I could add but I think it is unnecessary, he is quite capable of hanging himself.  A real mate would be taking him aside and helping him to avoid these monumental calamities.

 

 

 

Courage to air their thoughts' ? You mean stick the boot in on a public forum after someone else had raised the matter hiding behind a pseudonym. Very brave, that. 

On the other hand, I have chosen to stand up for someone I count as a friend because I believe that he is being harshly and vindictively treated. I have done so alone and in the face of every other comment on this thread. 

I'll let others decide which of us have shown the 'courage' here.

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Halifaxtiger

[Halifaxtiger]

51 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:

Fair enough....'clown' was a bit generous and as for 'liar' ? when I see Gary Flints permit I'll apologize ?

That might be your view. I merely suggested that if you do use words like that you are asking for a ban. Merely being critical is usually enough to get you thrown off.

Edited July 28, 2018 by Halifaxtiger

[Guest GiveusaB]

2 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

That might be your view. I merely suggested that if you do use words like that you are asking for a ban. Merely being critical is usually enough to get you thrown off.

I'd agree with you if I was criticizing a 'poster' ? but I'm criticizing the subject matter ? which, imo, is totally different !

Changing the subject .... hoping Halifax make a return !

[Bagpuss]

3 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

To turn the argument around, you'd think that a reputation as an utter incompetent would become common knowledge and the person concerned would never get another post anywhere, wouldn't you ? 

This is what Peter Mole had to say in the Sheffield programme on Thursday :

'I must express my thanks to Laurence Rogers for stepping in on both occasions (as team manager  at Sheffield's meetings at Peterborough and Lakeside) and doing an excellent job.....and his decisions and motivation of the boys was spot on'.

Contrasts rather starkly with some of the comments we have, doesn't it ?

I think you know that I trust and respect your judgement above pretty much any other on this forum. I remember that first fans forum in 2004 when Mr Rogers first addressed the Lynn faithful, he came across extremely well and left a great impression. I'm sure standing in here and there he is an excellent man to have around due to his positivity but I'm not sure how the Flint episode amongst others can be justified defended. Perhaps it is an absolute desperation to succeed in his roles at clubs.

[adonis]

4 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

To turn the argument around, you'd think that a reputation as an utter incompetent would become common knowledge and the person concerned would never get another post anywhere, wouldn't you ? 

This is what Peter Mole had to say in the Sheffield programme on Thursday :

'I must express my thanks to Laurence Rogers for stepping in on both occasions (as team manager  at Sheffield's meetings at Peterborough and Lakeside) and doing an excellent job.....and his decisions and motivation of the boys was spot on'.

Contrasts rather starkly with some of the comments we have, doesn't it ?

 

Courage to air their thoughts' ? You mean stick the boot in on a public forum after someone else had raised the matter hiding behind a pseudonym. Very brave, that. 

On the other hand, I have chosen to stand up for someone I count as a friend because I believe that he is being harshly and vindictively treated. I have done so alone and in the face of every other comment on this thread. 

I'll let others decide which of us have shown the 'courage' here.

 

I have done so alone and in the face of every other comment on this thread.    doesn't that speak volumes . ? it should .  you are swimming against the tide .and so is Laurence Rogers . it's taken a long while but the cat is well and truly out of the bag now , and that in my opinion  is a good thing for speedway  and B.ham speedway especially