SteveLyric2 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve0 said: If you actually read what was written you’d see that both the OP and the person you are kicking off about are NOT attacking Poole - it’s a discussion about the rules allowing any team to make too many tactical changes Then why include Poole in the title of the thread? If anyone wants to make a general point about the number of changes that could/should be made then put it under general discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Surely at the end of the day it's about rider's performing and doing the job they are employed to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Surely at the end of the day it's about rider's performing and doing the job they are employed to do. Nope, Shanes and Szzzzpaniak were dropped despite increasing their averages, whereas Kurtz and Grajczonek have decreased theirs but been retained. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Just now, DC2 said: Nope, Shanes and Szzzzpaniak were dropped despite increasing their averages, whereas Kurtz and Grajczonek have decreased theirs but been retained. Correct James was a scapegoat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 45 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Then why include Poole in the title of the thread? If anyone wants to make a general point about the number of changes that could/should be made then put it under general discussion. Because Poole are the biggest offenders this season (and, indeed, most seasons). But surely it’s a valid topic of discussion? How would you have felt if Sweden had signed the Brazil team before our World Cup quarter final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 minute ago, DC2 said: Because Poole are the biggest offenders this season (and, indeed, most seasons). But surely it’s a valid topic of discussion? How would you have felt if Sweden had signed the Brazil team before our World Cup quarter final? That is not a relevant comparison. They are national teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 minute ago, DC2 said: Because Poole are the biggest offenders this season (and, indeed, most seasons). But surely it’s a valid topic of discussion? How would you have felt if Sweden had signed the Brazil team before our World Cup quarter final? Erm DC you can not compare speedway league to the football world cup. For one point football have squads so they can make 11 changes if they want to in one go! And also they are different nationalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, DC2 said: Nope, Shanes and Szzzzpaniak were dropped despite increasing their averages, whereas Kurtz and Grajczonek have decreased theirs but been retained. Szczpaniak had dropped his form but Shanes I didn't agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, foreverblue said: That is not a relevant comparison. They are national teams. But what if the rules allowed it? For that matter they could say you can sign any player from any team that has been knocked out. Sweden under Matt Ford could have signed an all star team with Messi and Ronaldo etc, while England could have been Swindon and stuck with their starting team. Even if the rules allowed it, it doesn’t seem right, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Just had a quick look. Over the last three seasons Poole have used 34 riders and Swindon 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Starman2006 said: Cant stand people like that mate. If they dont like how Matt ford works then they have two choices, 1, dont read the thread, 2 dont come on here, simple really.And to start a thread is just pure jealousy if the truth was told. Every club have the same options, but every club MUST live within there means nowadays... There are a lot of good posters on here, you included but its being ruined by a small minority who just dont like Poole full stop. If i see notifications from known poole haters and wind up merchants i ignore them. He's still blocked. This post sums it all up. Absolutely clueless and just proves my point earlier in a reply to BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 And why speedway no longer commands respect from the majority of lost fans of the sport. A completely different mentality will have to be introduced to save this sport from self interested promoters and I’m including ALL promoters in this rant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltalima Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 First off I will say that I support Poole and have done so for over thirty years, my own personal view is that with the riders racing all over Europe the "Team" element is all but a name. Promoters seem quick these days to sack or temporarily remove riders at will regardless of how they are performing but at the end of the day its results that count. No one wants to see their team get beaten week in week out and promoters would be facing financial suicide if they were to leave the team unchanged. As the riders themselves say its a numbers game, I don't agree with all the changes but if it is within the rules then that is how it is until new rules are implemented by the powers that be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Starman2006 said: Cant stand people like that mate. If they dont like how Matt ford works then they have two choices, 1, dont read the thread, 2 dont come on here, simple really.And to start a thread is just pure jealousy if the truth was told. Every club have the same options, but every club MUST live within there means nowadays... There are a lot of good posters on here, you included but its being ruined by a small minority who just dont like Poole full stop. If i see notifications from known poole haters and wind up merchants i ignore them. He's still blocked. Starman just because you might be a happy clapper, if someone disagrees with Matt Ford's actions they are well within their right to voice their opinion. It's attitudes like that, that basically tells the fans to 'Shut up... like it or lump it' that has left Speedway in the sorry state it's currently in. In this day and age, if someone isn't happy because their favourite rider has been given the chop they should be able to speak up and say what they think. We don't all have clap along with our program boards held aloft because Matt Ford or any other promotor told us to. For what it's worth, I don't think there should be a limit on rider changes. The season is shorter now and it's a results based business so everyone should be entitled to track what they believe is the strongest possible team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Starman wants a one team league, win at all costs, never a chance of reasoned debate, the like it or lump it scenario is why speedway is on the precipice it is at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Najjer said: they should be able to speak up and say what they think. We don't all have clap along with our program boards held aloft because Matt Ford or any other promotor told us to. We have a new anthem at King's Lynn for that purpose - Clap , Clap, Clap, Clap , Clap , Clap ( Come rain or shine ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 hours ago, DC2 said: But what if the rules allowed it? For that matter they could say you can sign any player from any team that has been knocked out. Sweden under Matt Ford could have signed an all star team with Messi and Ronaldo etc, while England could have been Swindon and stuck with their starting team. Even if the rules allowed it, it doesn’t seem right, does it? It wouldn't be allowed it is a bad comparison but any team like Real Madrid or Barcelona can buy any player but it is a completely different sport run a completely different way with squads. A squad system could work in speedway if it was affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobber junior Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 15 hours ago, DC2 said: I think you'll find there's now a plaque with your name on it in the space between Shovlar and Starman. Oh goodie ..... But I think you've missed the point I was trying to make ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 11:05 AM, DC2 said: Poole’s wheelings and dealings now give them a team that would have had a starting average at the beginning of the season of 46.74. Swindon have been forced to make one change and their team would have been 41.93. Poole have now used 12 riders. Is it fair to allow a team to make so many changes and to gain a 5 point advantage over what might be temporary losses of form? Should teams be allowed no more than two tactical changes? Are Poole's changes fair? of course not. Are they good for other clubs/U.K. speedway? NO. Are they with-in the rules? YES. Are they good for Matt Ford & Poole YES of course they are! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Explain why their not fair within the rules every promotor can do the same so their not fair either are they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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