mikebv Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 So many rider changes? Yet there isn't enough riders to run the Sport properly?? All very strange.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 If the riders concerned had done their job there would have been no changes, being 'fair' is irrelevant ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 12:14 PM, mikebv said: So many rider changes? Yet there isn't enough riders to run the Sport properly?? All very strange.. Expand 2 changes have been for Kildemand and then Sundstrom, who have both opted out of the British League themselves - but don't let that get in the way of your arguement as it'd only make it invalid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 12:48 PM, BluPanther said: If the riders concerned had done their job there would have been no changes, being 'fair' is irrelevant ... Expand Errr ... no..... Shanes and Szzzzzzpaniak increased their averages and were dropped but Kurtz and Grajkzonek have gone down but been kept. It’s all tactical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 11:58 AM, DC2 said: ... except other team sports are a financial free for all and not based on team building averages and the notion of “equalisation”. Expand So if Swindon were in the same position, you would be happy to see them finish bottom then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 12:59 PM, Najjer said: 2 changes have been for Kildemand and then Sundstrom, who have both opted out of the British League themselves - but don't let that get in the way of your arguement as it'd only make it invalid! Expand No argument being made, just an observation... Another observation, nay, irrefutable fact, is that there are globally more Speedway riders (and of the required calibre), not riding over here than currently do... And yet, some say, there are not enough riders to run the Sport properly? Again, how strange? . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 1:55 PM, Starman2006 said: So if Swindon were in the same position, you would be happy to see them finish bottom then ? Expand We never choose such a bad team in the first place! Seriously, I think tactical changes should be limited to three and that’s it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 2:05 PM, DC2 said: We never choose such a bad team in the first place! Seriously, I think tactical changes should be limited to three and that’s it. Expand These are not tactical changes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 2:05 PM, DC2 said: We never choose such a bad team in the first place! Seriously, I think tactical changes should be limited to three and that’s it. Expand You are quite entitled to your views and express them. However, taking into account your other Poole posts a question must be asked at your motives. True Poole changed four riders since the start of the season. Two riders because of their form but the other two because they wanted to leave British speedway. The two brought in for the ones who wanted to leave were one who did not have a top league spot and one who was made unemployed. The other two replaced riders who were "not cutting the mustard". One of these was already an asset and the other who was coming over next year. Therefore it can be argued Poole have only made two tactical changes. Somerset have made two tactical changes and others at least one. I would not be surprised if other did so by the end of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediman Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just to clear up one point I sponsored Linus and his stepping down is right. He really wasn’t hitting the standards he sets and felt it best to step down and discover the form he knows he is capable of. As to team changes during the season it’s surely doing your best for your team within the rules and regulations. Wether they are right or wrong is a different issue and surely one of the many that surely needs looking at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 2:05 PM, DC2 said: We never choose such a bad team in the first place! Seriously, I think tactical changes should be limited to three and that’s it. Expand How good was that 2011 Swindon side?.......Now remind me, where did they finish in the league that year whilst the Pirates were winning their fourth Elite League title?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Weak at the beginning, strong at the end. It’s a regular process due to the play offs. Turns many diehards away unfortunately. I’m baffled every year why people seem surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 5:28 PM, ouch said: Weak at the beginning, strong at the end. It’s a regular process due to the play offs. Turns many diehards away unfortunately. I’m baffled every year why people seem surprised. Expand We have ambition, does your lot ? All above board sunshine.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 I think team's should have to stick with the team that's declared at the beginning of the season and only replace riders who are out through injury longer than 28 days with a new rider. Pooles team building pre season has been poor for at least a couple of seasons but they have certainly improved by strengthening up mid season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 6:21 PM, lewy said: I think team's should have to stick with the team that's declared at the beginning of the season and only replace riders who are out through injury longer than 28 days with a new rider. Pooles team building pre season has been poor for at least a couple of seasons but they have certainly improved by strengthening up mid season. Expand So you just want Poole punished, not's what best for the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Read the post it starts "I THINK TEAMS" not "I THINK POOLE" I did say however that pooled initial declared line up at the beginning of the season has been poor. Do you understand now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 6:21 PM, lewy said: I think team's should have to stick with the team that's declared at the beginning of the season and only replace riders who are out through injury longer than 28 days with a new rider. Pooles team building pre season has been poor for at least a couple of seasons but they have certainly improved by strengthening up mid season. Expand Can't agree with that. Speedway is on its @rse as it is and if teams were made to stick to with an awful team then how many would go bust. We all know that Poole cant get a crowd in when they are losing. My own club Swindon is the same. The crowds were awful at the start of 2017 until we got Musi in and started winning. We lost money as it was last season. Can only imagine what would have happened if we had to stick with the original 1-7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 6:31 PM, thecoombdog said: Can't agree with that. Speedway is on its @rse as it is and if teams were made to stick to with an awful team then how many would go bust. We all know that Poole cant get a crowd in when they are losing. My own club Swindon is the same. The crowds were awful at the start of 2017 until we got Musi in and started winning. We lost money as it was last season. Can only imagine what would have happened if we had to stick with the original 1-7. Expand Yes I guess you have a good point maybe team changes should be limited to maybe 1 possibly 2 a season as has been suggested earlier in this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) On 7/15/2018 at 6:31 PM, thecoombdog said: Can't agree with that. Speedway is on its @rse as it is and if teams were made to stick to with an awful team then how many would go bust. We all know that Poole cant get a crowd in when they are losing. My own club Swindon is the same. The crowds were awful at the start of 2017 until we got Musi in and started winning. We lost money as it was last season. Can only imagine what would have happened if we had to stick with the original 1-7. Expand Our crap crowds are better than most clubs good crowds.. Its called ambition mate.. but at the same time you live within your means..All our signings are above board and within the averages. You stop that and you will kill speedway stone dead simulary if you drop the team building average you will freeze out a lot of the riders that are left in this country.. Its a real problem with Poland, but you have to make the best of what you can get.. But imo there has to be mighty changes at this years AGM imo. Edited July 15, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 "Changes" Other than Bomber in, Sundstrom out, what others have been made? Or are we talking "Changes" this season, not just now.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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