waytogo28 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 53 minutes ago, E I Addio said: we still have deafening silence from the Chapman/.Godfrey Mafia. Like all dictators, they believe that what they are doing ( and how they do it ) is the Right Way and the Only Way. They are unlikely to step aside and therefore need to be toppled in some way, Perhaps only the death of UK league speedway will achieve that. Like other failed promoters in the past, they will show no remorse for their actions or how they refused to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Does anyone have a full rundown all the Premiership and Championship clubs promoters and how long they've been at the club's? I think once these new promotions get a vote we may see a changing of the guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Like all dictators, they believe that what they are doing ( and how they do it ) is the Right Way and the Only Way. They are unlikely to step aside and therefore need to be toppled in some way, Perhaps only the death of UK league speedway will achieve that. Like other failed promoters in the past, they will show no remorse for their actions or how they refused to listen. i agree with what you say but listen to what? we have several paths which people on here advocate: pare it back to amateur/semi pro, push the boat out for the stars and hope for the best, amalgamate the leagues, etc , etc so which group do they listen to? and whichever path they choose people will kick off and feel alienated personally i want one league at just below current Div 2 level racing on their choice of night and an amateur NL and i can hear people scoffing from here so you can't win. I also want NIL guests while you're at it- I'd rather see teams get slaughtered than guests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 3 hours ago, E I Addio said: Jon Cook was on the mic about it last night. He was obviously constrained in what he could say as he was talking about being fined by the BSPA if he said too much but talking about Lakeside , Peterborough and Worky having their race nights taken away , the gist of what he said was that certain clubs have to accept they cant win everything and they'll soon finish up racing against themselves. Its interesting that the clubs under attack, Lakeside, Peterborough and Workington are they main play off contenders at the moment. Draw your own conclusions.Of course the BSPA could clear up any speculation immediately by issuing a statement but we still have deafening silence from the Chapman/.Godfrey Mafia. So much for Chapmans empty promises of being open with the fans. They cannot see that it is them that is bringing the sport into disrepute and driving the fans away. When he says "taken away" I wonder if he means fully and permanently, or having to move a few matches from Fridays this season? Obviously he isn't free to elaborate any further. I'd suspect that he's alluding to 2019 and the implementation of a changed league structure. This could include Belle Vue moving to Fridays and trying to ensure that night is limited to BV and Scunthorpe (Godfrey), Edinburgh (Harkess), and Glasgow (£acenna's) plus possibly Somerset. We will see what happens because for sure nothing is going to be announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 A promoter of told me last week that it was a very long meeting that got absolutely nowhere in terms of the future of Speedway in GB. He said there are two factions .. the old guard and the new guard ... they have opposing ideas of what direction to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, ch958 said: i agree with what you say but listen to what? we have several paths which people on here advocate: pare it back to amateur/semi pro, push the boat out for the stars and hope for the best, amalgamate the leagues, etc , etc so which group do they listen to? and whichever path they choose people will kick off and feel alienated personally i want one league at just below current Div 2 level racing on their choice of night and an amateur NL and i can hear people scoffing from here so you can't win. I also want NIL guests while you're at it- I'd rather see teams get slaughtered than guests 6 They have not listened to anyone, as far as I know, or asked any fans or groups of fans about preferences. The BSPA should be going ahead with a survey of the type recently posted ( which was first done 20 years ago ). They neither welcome nor acknowledge feedback from their customers. Such businesses usually end up by closing down. I agree with your choice myself. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Let's be honest, there are probably not more than 25,000 speedway supporters regularly attending UK league matches. It cannot be so difficult, using modern digital technology to get their opinion. AND also take written replies by post. I would volunteer to collate such replies and could rustle up one or two others to help as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 i'm afraid a response from me would read as a rather pathetic reach for the past. I want silver 2 valve bikes back with big handlebars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, waytogo28 said: Let's be honest, there are probably not more than 25,000 speedway supporters regularly attending UK league matches. It cannot be so difficult, using modern digital technology to get their opinion. AND also take written replies by post. I would volunteer to collate such replies and could rustle up one or two others to help as well. DOUBT whether there are half that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Gunner85 said: A promoter of told me last week that it was a very long meeting that got absolutely nowhere in terms of the future of Speedway in GB. He said there are two factions .. the old guard and the new guard ... they have opposing ideas of what direction to go In that case there is a chance of hope. Norfolk Inn chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: DOUBT whether there are half that ... I hope that you are not so well informed on this as you are on other things!? Less than 25,000 If it's much less than that then it's "game over" without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 hours ago, E I Addio said: Jon Cook was on the mic about it last night. He was obviously constrained in what he could say as he was talking about being fined by the BSPA if he said too much but talking about Lakeside , Peterborough and Worky having their race nights taken away , the gist of what he said was that certain clubs have to accept they cant win everything and they'll soon finish up racing against themselves. Its interesting that the clubs under attack, Lakeside, Peterborough and Workington are they main play off contenders at the moment. Draw your own conclusions.Of course the BSPA could clear up any speculation immediately by issuing a statement but we still have deafening silence from the Chapman/.Godfrey Mafia. So much for Chapmans empty promises of being open with the fans. They cannot see that it is them that is bringing the sport into disrepute and driving the fans away. If Workington and Newcastle are to be believed then Scunthorpe have been refusing to re-arrange fixtures in the absence of Steve Worrall how co-operative is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, waytogo28 said: I hope that you are not so well informed on this as you are on other things!? Less than 25,000 If it's much less than that then it's "game over" without a doubt. Take suffolk for example I have no idea of the average gates at Ipswich and Mildenhall. I no longer go but have 5 friends who still go to ipswich most weeks but they also go to Mildenhall every week without fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, waytogo28 said: I hope that you are not so well informed on this as you are on other things!? Less than 25,000 If it's much less than that then it's "game over" without a doubt. I would think there are 20,000 absolute max who attend Speedway 'regularly' each week.. I would also suggest that next week in Cardiff there could well be more fans there who no longer attend domestic British Speedway regularly than those who actually do. (Or not far off it).. Maybe that is something that the BSPA could ponder and reflect on as to why.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, mikebv said: I would think there are 20,000 absolute max who attend Speedway 'regularly' each week.. I would also suggest that next week in Cardiff there could well be more fans there who no longer attend domestic British Speedway regularly than those who actually do. (Or not far off it).. Maybe that is something that the BSPA could ponder and reflect on as to why.? well that would be a good place to hand out half price entry vouchers at their nearest track 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ch958 said: well that would be a good place to hand out half price entry vouchers at their nearest track Honestly, don't go there. . For many Promoters they would be scared stiff of giving a 'regular' a half price ticket than seeing any potential of bringing back so many 'ex fans' of theirs... Believe me, I have had those coversations... You are 100% correct by the way. It's a captured market at Cardiff which provides (if nothing else) a huge chance to engage in conversations with the largest gathering anywhere of British Speedway fans.. Maybe ascertaining 'from the horses mouths' as to why so many will spend hundreds of pounds and travel hundreds of miles, for several hours, attending that very event, but not see attending their local track as a 'must do'... Got to be worth it surely? Direct feedback from your own customer and ex customer base? And for what it's worth (very little I am sure).. Here is my feedback. . It costs £29 for me and my 15 year old lad to sit and watch a British League match at the NSS. And never quite know up till start time which random collection of riders have rocked up that night.. It costs me just £9 more to do the same at Cardiff with everyone programmed turning up unless injured during practice in the hours before.. With a much better overall collective of riders on view too... And on a SATURDAY not a MONDAY as well.. So in short, get the Price Point right, get the credibilty right, and do it all on a night conducive to attracting a crowd.. Who knows, do that and you may be more successful..? Edited July 14, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Aside from Busters infamous Kings Lynn meeting, the only changes to line ups at the NSS this year have been due to injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Humphrey Appleby Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 5 hours ago, waytogo28 said: They have not listened to anyone, as far as I know, or asked any fans or groups of fans about preferences. The BSPA should be going ahead with a survey of the type recently posted ( which was first done 20 years ago ). They neither welcome nor acknowledge feedback from their customers. Such businesses usually end up by closing down. I agree with your choice myself. You only have to read the arguments, self interest, and sometimes downright crazy ideas on here to realise the fans are the last people that should be listened to. Neither do the vast majority of businesses consult their customers on their product and services as quite clearly the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If you go back a few years you had fans complaining about speedway being watered down, when quite simply the top riders were becoming unaffordable and in many cases unavailable. Now there's a bit more realism about the situation, yet still lots of complaints about missing riders which is why something was done to try to address that, yet fans have essentially voted with their feet as a result. The underlying problem is that speedway has become poor value for money, played out in largely unappealing venues lacking 21st century facilities, and where you're not even sure who's going to be riding. You're also facing an increasingly ageing fanbase who's kids have already grown-up and aren't the least bit interested in the sport, let along willing to bring their own kids along - all the marketing in the world isn't a substitute for existing fans introducing new people to the sport. At the end of the day, professional speedway will only survive if the promoters themselves are able to come-up and implement a workable plan, and that is a big if. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 So which clubs want/ need weekend racing, Glasgow, Edinburgh , Berwick, Workington , Newcastle , Scunthorpe , Peterborough, in the Championship Belle vue, Rye House ,maybe Leicester and Somerset all the others in the Premier seem to just get by during the week I think. Do not know about the third division. So it must come down to when the fans want racing and how frequently , will weekly or fortnightly home meetings be adequate . Will one big League work, or will it be two Leagues with one or two from the Championship moving up though this would only be viable if costs were reduced significantly either rider costs/pay or less bigger name riders which would mean no more Doyle, Andersson , Iversen for instance. Not an easy task for anyone/group but some difficult decisions need to be made and this may come at the expense of losing some clubs unfortunately . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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