Tsunami Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said: But football is a completely different 'animal'. The media are all over football like a rash, so any news, rumours etc are not kept secret for very long. Whereas speedway has very little media outlets. Speedway Star, this forum, local newspapers a bit. Perhaps unofficial club websites, local radio a bit, word of mouth on the muddy terraces.......I have run out of ideas! So less people in a lesser sport want more high profile consideration with ongoing discussions. It's not only the promoters that want a shake at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tsunami said: So less people in a lesser sport want more high profile consideration with ongoing discussions. It's not only the promoters that want a shake at times. I think it is fair of the paying supporters, to expect there to be some kind of dialogue between the promoters and the fans. Keeping schtum, just makes things worse! Brexit is a perfect example! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said: I think it is fair of the paying supporters, to expect there to be some kind of dialogue between the promoters and the fans. Keeping schtum, just makes things worse! Brexit is a perfect example! They do when there is agreement and some sort of new plan. That's the time to do their duty to inform the public/fans and not before. You can talk all day with fans, but any input would be so different ,and varied there would be as many losers and winners with putting their ideas through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, ch958 said: i think the decisions made in the near future may be catastrophic to some clubs so it may be that keeping things quiet is understandable atm. They have made some pretty catostrophic decisions in the past , even when they weren't intended to be. A decision ir two that actually benefits the sport and ensures that all clubs running this year come to the tapes next year would be a welcome change, but I am not holding my breath. Things have plummeted to a new low since Chapman and Godfrey took over. I genuinely believe they think they can muddle along as they've done in the past and things will somehow work out alright in the end. They don't realise they are drinking in the Last Chance Saloon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: I think that with any big decisions to be agreed and announced by the BSPA, there will aways be 'winners' and 'losers' hoping that the sport is the real winner in the longer term. Difficulty is, even fans have different expectations so there will always be some winners and losers amongst even them. Of course as with a lot of this type of thread, all the usual losers flock to then to regurgitate their own personal hobby horses, which of course they will never be called on to take on the risks like the promoters do. You can guarantee the same forumers will be to the fore on the proposals that have been discussed and agreed by the BSPA, just because it's he only thing that they are about. SAD. Once a critic, always a critic with some. in my view there will have to be a top division, just because some people won't give it up - well, good luck to them. As a lifelong Div 2 supporter I'd be looking for a massive weakening of that division with the resultant addition of several NL teams and hopefully thats enough to survive, which is the no1 priority atm. Its all well and good discussing how to get the fans back and having expectations but for the time being survival is the aim. The diamonds and Redcar get approximately the same crowds as Gateshead FC, roughly speaking, and they aren't even professional any more, they certainly don't fly players in from the continent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, ch958 said: in my view there will have to be a top division, just because some people won't give it up - well, good luck to them. As a lifelong Div 2 supporter I'd be looking for a massive weakening of that division with the resultant addition of several NL teams and hopefully thats enough to survive, which is the no1 priority atm. Its all well and good discussing how to get the fans back and having expectations but for the time being survival is the aim. The diamonds and Redcar get approximately the same crowds as Gateshead FC, roughly speaking, and they aren't even professional any more, they certainly don't fly players in from the continent. I share a lot of your views there CH958. A big league would be the end of the Diamonds with us being a Sunday track, and against the power of Poland. Div 2 for me as well. Edited August 22, 2018 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/20/2018 at 8:23 AM, PHILIPRISING said: WHISPER it ... there was a BSPA meeting last Tuesday. Don't think they want anyone to know Actually there is usually one every month! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booey boy Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/20/2018 at 8:49 AM, Big Al said: Can remember when T20 cricket was first announced as a new competition. And I was one of many who said "bloody hell, that's ridiculous". But I went to all the home games, some away ones, three finals days. However that was probably mostly down to my team's success in the competition, because I'm now back to preferring the old format. MAybe not stopping the race for falls is taking it a bit far, but we shouldn't stop throwing seemingly mad ideas into the pot because sometimes it generates the creative thinking which subsequently produces a winning one. Handicap racing used to be hugely popular in the 1920's and 1930's didn't it? I think that having a mixture of different phases within a meeting/match is worth trying, although I'd have some concerns over the ability of many referees to handle it! Early sixtes as well Funding Craven Brigg Moore Knudsson if I'm correct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 1:34 PM, The Third Man said: No problem with that if it is required, as long as the top league is set at present championship level No problem with that forget the big hitters and get a team together that each can afford i like the idea of one big league.It can work let's get teams where the fans can identify with the riders again just like we used to but the main objective is to make speedway an enjoyable night out again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 This may be a bit off field but a lot of people who attend don’t buy programmes. How do you keep and remember the score as the meeting progresses (especially at Kent where the announcer ‘whispers’ into the mic)! The sport is poorer for this and part and parcel of its fabric. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winstoncigar Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 10 hours ago, GWC said: This may be a bit off field but a lot of people who attend don’t buy programmes. How do you keep and remember the score as the meeting progresses (especially at Kent where the announcer ‘whispers’ into the mic)! The sport is poorer for this and part and parcel of its fabric. Spot on. I've taken newbies who didn't have a clue what was going on yet when the idea of modern (ie electronic) timing and scoreboards was put forward the powers that be shunned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE AND NEED There are eleven tracks in the Championship and those 77 riders have combined averages of 465.12. In the Premiership there is just 13 riders you could look at being here next year that are not involved in the Championship (not inc Doyle) and they average 121.50 using assessed averages. You then have Lewis Kerr, Josh Bates and Lasse Bjerre to add plus possibly Kenneth Bjerre and Peter Kildemand making a total of roughly 623.00 for 93 riders. If you are going with one main league and adding Rye House back into the league you need 133 riders for seven man teams and 114 for six rider teams. So you are looking at finding either 40 new riders for seven man teams or 21 for six man teams. So either way, where do you find the missing riders. Well we have so far only included the current teams 1-7 and therefore left out riders that have been replaced and not returned like Hartel, Gravesen, Rose, Hume, Jeppesen and Clegg but that's just six riders leaving you still needing 34 or 15 riders. There are over twenty riders averaging over six in the National League that don't have a place in the Championship so you only need about twelve new riders coming in from abroad to fill seven man teams at all 19 tracks. With these riders you are adding 114 to the averages making a total of 737 roughly for 19 seven man teams giving an average just under 39 points per team so a 40 point limit should be about right for one main league in 2019. Make it one NL draft per team and get riders in from Denmark, Sweden, Germany etc but keep the reserves British and number seven stays at seven. ASSESSED RIDERS - Max Fricke 10.5, Rohan Tungate 9.5, Damian Drzodz 5.0, Hans Andersen 10, Kasprzak 10.5, Troy Batchelor 10.5, Tobiasz Musielak 9.0, Adam Ellis 8.5, David Bellego 8.5, Sam Masters 10.0, Jacob Thorssell 9.5, Jack Holder 9.0 40 point limit, 7 riders per team, NL draft number seven, reduced admission, varied fixtures, reduced wages, more local derbies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 I cant see there being 19 teams in the league. More likely to be around 16 at the most if it is one big league. So we need 112 riders for that. Knock it down to 6 man teams and you are looking at 96. A much more realistic number in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 22 hours ago, INCOGNITO said: LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE AND NEED There are eleven tracks in the Championship and those 77 riders have combined averages of 465.12. In the Premiership there is just 13 riders you could look at being here next year that are not involved in the Championship (not inc Doyle) and they average 121.50 using assessed averages. You then have Lewis Kerr, Josh Bates and Lasse Bjerre to add plus possibly Kenneth Bjerre and Peter Kildemand making a total of roughly 623.00 for 93 riders. If you are going with one main league and adding Rye House back into the league you need 133 riders for seven man teams and 114 for six rider teams. So you are looking at finding either 40 new riders for seven man teams or 21 for six man teams. So either way, where do you find the missing riders. Well we have so far only included the current teams 1-7 and therefore left out riders that have been replaced and not returned like Hartel, Gravesen, Rose, Hume, Jeppesen and Clegg but that's just six riders leaving you still needing 34 or 15 riders. There are over twenty riders averaging over six in the National League that don't have a place in the Championship so you only need about twelve new riders coming in from abroad to fill seven man teams at all 19 tracks. With these riders you are adding 114 to the averages making a total of 737 roughly for 19 seven man teams giving an average just under 39 points per team so a 40 point limit should be about right for one main league in 2019. Make it one NL draft per team and get riders in from Denmark, Sweden, Germany etc but keep the reserves British and number seven stays at seven. ASSESSED RIDERS - Max Fricke 10.5, Rohan Tungate 9.5, Damian Drzodz 5.0, Hans Andersen 10, Kasprzak 10.5, Troy Batchelor 10.5, Tobiasz Musielak 9.0, Adam Ellis 8.5, David Bellego 8.5, Sam Masters 10.0, Jacob Thorssell 9.5, Jack Holder 9.0 40 point limit, 7 riders per team, NL draft number seven, reduced admission, varied fixtures, reduced wages, more local derbies If those assessed riders are taking part in 1 main league what's the solution for them missing plenty of fixtures because they're racing in Poland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 On 23 August 2018 at 9:04 AM, winstoncigar said: Spot on. I've taken newbies who didn't have a clue what was going on yet when the idea of modern (ie electronic) timing and scoreboards was put forward the powers that be shunned it. Come to Lynn, we have an electronic scoreboard ... we’re not the only ones ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Trees said: Come to Lynn, we have an electronic scoreboard ... we’re not the only ones ..... Wimbledon had an electric scoreboard in the 60's and 70's until the GRA started to destroy everything in the stadium so they could close it. The scoreboard was used for dog meetings for the tote betting and for speedway and stock car meetings for results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 9 hours ago, Chris116 said: Wimbledon had an electric scoreboard in the 60's and 70's until the GRA started to destroy everything in the stadium so they could close it. The scoreboard was used for dog meetings for the tote betting and for speedway and stock car meetings for results. ...and, of course, Coventry used to have one. Now they don't have a track such is the desperate situation that speedway now finds itself regarding track closures etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 Another one bites the dust. How many over the winter will be lost to the sport? Take your pick from 3 or 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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