NO WORD FROM THE BSPA

[acef]

3 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Any chance of this thread getting back on topic ?

Still not a dickie bird from the BSPA, treating the fans with absolute contempt as usual. 

What ever we do to improve tracks , facilities, bikes, training or anything else, it will all be a waste of time while Chapman and Co operate under a veil of secrecy.

It's all related at the end of the day. We are having a discussion about the sport generally. That the association don't respond is all driven by exactly what we are discussing 

[Crump99]

13 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said:

I've heard it all now!  With an attitude like that you should be a promoter Felton old boy.

Ask anyone who doesn't actually go and, if they've actually heard of the sport at all, they will all say first out of the start wins!  Nowhere is that more true than the UK.

The product is broken, you turn up, pay for 15 heats of racing and if you're lucky get 2 races and 13 processions! 

That's the major reason nobody goes, it's exactly why marketing drives at tracks don't work.  

People turn up for cheap or free admission and then the following week it's back to normal.  Why?  Because you're marketing a product nobody wants to watch.

When discussing the sport many years ago with Nigel Couzens I remember him saying nearly exactly the same thing (although I guess it was 13 heats then?) The product is broken but IMO that's only one of the reasons and not the major one.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

9 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said:

Don't agree.  But how does your solution get the fans back then?

There are a few but read all my posts from the last year I have pretty much covered every angle from bikes, riders, fans, cost and more , I have done pretty much the sport from all angles and now as a fan again I know what I want and I’m asking other fans and ex ones what they want from speedway and my posts reflect the answers I get 

Edited July 18, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Stoke Potter]

7 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Any chance of this thread getting back on topic ?

Still not a dickie bird from the BSPA, treating the fans with absolute contempt as usual. 

What ever we do to improve tracks , facilities, bikes, training or anything else, it will all be a waste of time while Chapman and Co operate under a veil of secrecy.

Surely the thread will get back on topic when there finally is word from the BSPA?  Set your alarm clock for December then! 

[Stoke Potter]

1 minute ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

There are a few but read all my posts from the last year I have pretty much covered every angle from bikes, riders, fans, cost and more  

But not the tracks it seems...  i.e.  The MAIN problem!

[acef]

Just now, Crump99 said:

When discussing the sport many years ago with Nigel Couzens I remember him saying nearly exactly the same thing (although I guess it was 13 heats then?) The product is broken but IMO that's only one of the reasons and not the major one.

At BV you get about 60% of the racing being edge of the seat stuff. 

The club had decent crowds last year, up on the stadiums debut season I belive.

This year serious decline and that's because of the race night. 

Good racing puts bums on seats because the crowd are being entertained. 

 

[acef]

1 minute ago, Stoke Potter said:

But not the tracks it seems...  i.e.  The MAIN problem!

The tracks are the main issue SP. 

From the material used, to the shape, to the general prep. 

It seems we are in a minority 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

9 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said:

But not the tracks it seems...  i.e.  The MAIN problem!

Before a new fan or even an ex fan gets to see the track or it’s racing we need to get them to the turnstiles, as I said priority’s 

[Stoke Potter]

1 minute ago, acef said:

The tracks are the main issue SP. 

From the material used, to the shape, to the general prep. 

It seems we are in a minority 

We are in a minority I'm afraid.
When I started banging on here about almost all tracks being fundamentally flawed, I was met with probably 95%+ ridicule.
Now that's down to about 75% so there's been some realisation just nowhere near enough yet.  Keep at it mate!

It seems that Mr Rising is on side these days as well so we're getting there slowly.

The ridicule doesn't bother me in the slightest, I will still keep at it.  The fact is if people don't recognise it then the sport will die in this country.

[Stoke Potter]

1 minute ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Before a new fan or even an ex fan gets to see the track or it’s racing we need to get them to the turnstiles, as I said priority’s 

If only you could show them how good the product can be by getting it on the tele!

Ah yes, it is on the tele but the product's still crap................

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

5 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said:

If only you could show them how good the product can be by getting it on the tele!

Ah yes, it is on the tele but the product's still crap................

But you said all tracks should be like belle vue  and when that was on the tv the racing was great and yet belle vue is on its arse , wolves crowds are bigger than belle vue yet BV has better racing 

Edited July 18, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[waytogo28]

24 minutes ago, acef said:

Unfortunately they don't come back and that's because the entertainment value is non existent. 

That has been the case for me less and less and less entertainment and overall VFM. What has kept me going to King's Lynn for the past five years has been to watch Robert Lambert. Seeing him develop from a 15 year old to 20 year old has been a wonderful racing experience. Much of the rest of it has been, for me, a sideshow.kind of support event. Cheers, Robert! Good luck at Cardiff.

[ouch]

7 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

But you said all tracks should be like belle vue  and when that was on the tv the racing was great and yet belle vue is on its arse , wolves crowds are bigger than belle vue yet BV has better racing 

They’re not. 

[Stoke Potter]

5 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

But you said all tracks should be like belle vue  and when that was on the tv the racing was great and yet belle vue is on its arse , wolves crowds are bigger than belle vue yet BV has better racing 

BV is a diamond in a mound of crap. 
One track cannot reverse the decades of damage in this country, that's why you need more of them. 
When you get a  critical mass of decent tracks with real speedway then you can market the real product.

And BV on their proper race night would get crowds as good as Wolves or better.

I never said tracks were the only problem, they are just the major problem.

[acef]

20 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

But you said all tracks should be like belle vue  and when that was on the tv the racing was great and yet belle vue is on its arse , wolves crowds are bigger than belle vue yet BV has better racing 

Wolves have been operating on a Monday for years. 

Belle Vue realised their market place and that was a Friday night. It got changed because we didn't have a vote. 

Result. Crowds off a cliff. 

The NSS is a diamond. It needs pushing to the hilt but unfortunately the wrong people have the power. 

[acef]

16 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said:

BV is a diamond in a mound of crap. 
One track cannot reverse the decades of damage in this country, that's why you need more of them. 
When you get a  critical mass of decent tracks with real speedway then you can market the real product.

And BV on their proper race night would get crowds as good as Wolves or better.

I never said tracks were the only problem, they are just the major problem.

Brilliant post. 

 

[acef]

30 minutes ago, waytogo28 said:

That has been the case for me less and less and less entertainment and overall VFM. What has kept me going to King's Lynn for the past five years has been to watch Robert Lambert. Seeing him develop from a 15 year old to 20 year old has been a wonderful racing experience. Much of the rest of it has been, for me, a sideshow.kind of support event. Cheers, Robert! Good luck at Cardiff.

I have a lot of time for Rob. 

He's fast becoming a class, international rider who has stepped up significantly this season. 

A real diamond with a natural ability in a sea of British rubbishe. 

[acef]

38 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said:

If only you could show them how good the product can be by getting it on the tele!

Ah yes, it is on the tele but the product's still crap................

And of course all that tv money went into their own sky rocket rather than an investment into the circuits and the sport. When sky came on board many promotions thought we had the jackpot, actually it was the same product as now and the exposure only exasperated the decline. Its a great example of the old school folk who operate this sport. They have no vision. They only see what's right in front of them. They are spit and sawdust people who think opening the doors to a pub and standing and drinking at the end of the bar is enough to make their business work. 

They are outdated and completely out of ideas. 

[Stoke Potter]

The Sky money should've been invested in the tracks or infrastructure without doubt. 
Or, shock horror, kept in a central investment fund which then could be used to purchase tracks when they become available. 

Fancy buying Brandon Mr BSPA?  Yes, don't mind if I do.  Pie in the sky, of course!

[SPEEDY69]

3 hours ago, acef said:

The alternative imo is to address the tracks. I'd argue it would be cheaper than redeveloping the equipment. Tidy up the stadiums, relay the tracks that are problematic and then choose a race night that suits the clubs supporter base. That is the foundation to build from, we then have a better product to sell. 

Glasgow are a great example of how changing a track can get results. They have a great promotion. I'd imagine that track now is an absolute dream to ride. Nice wide entrance to the corners with some good banking. 

The sport needs investment from somewhere. Most clubs are on the brink of bankruptcy so if someone with a dollar can step and chair the association to help fix these stadia/tracks, we can start to move forwards again. 

I don't think the tracks are the problem.  People need to be attracted to the sport in the first place - and I don't mean the odd friend or two of an existing fan.