stevebrum Posted July 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: Dropping 1pt from your average is not a decent job. It's under performing to the role you were employed for. If he wasn't expected to replace close to the level of Lindgren's scoring he shouldn't have been selected in the first place. Let's put it this way, if the whole team dropped almost 1pt each from their average, would the team also be doing a 'decent job'? As already stated we know employing Jacob was the cheaper option and it’s completely unjust to expect him to replace the scoring prowess of Fred. He was never going to be able to do that. riding at number one was always going to be a tough gig. I’ve said previously if he holds his average he will have done well this season. As expected he is a very inconsistent number one, similar to Nick Morris who also wasn’t at number one last year despite riding in a much tougher number 5 position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fred Flange said: To be fair thorsell has done much better than I expected. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/85588-agm/&do=findComment&comment=3060351 According to wolves official figures he's only managed to knock 1.19 off last seasons CMA. http://www.wolverhamptonwolves.co/_mobile/statistics18 http://www.wolverhamptonwolves.co/_mobile/statistics17 "Decent job", Ha Ha!! We've been agreeing on a little too much of late... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 C'mon Fred surely Brum is laughing at your #1 dropping his average so he can drop down a division? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Lefty said: C'mon Fred surely Brum is laughing at your #1 dropping his average so he can drop down a division? Fred has nothing to say that isn’t laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: Fred has nothing to say that isn’t laughable. Somehow thinking riding one point below your average is 'decent' is laughable. Although, I'll cut you some slack because in some respects it isn't bad... and I'll agree that he hasn't done too bad to keep his average from dropping by just a pt. What it highlights is what a terrible decision it was to pick him in the first place. If they couldn't afford Lindgren, they STILL shouldn't have signed Thorssell with the average he was saddled with. Not an attack on Thorssell, just the realities of the average system. Edited July 12, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 8 hours ago, BWitcher said: Somehow thinking riding one point below your average is 'decent' is laughable. Although, I'll cut you some slack because in some respects it isn't bad... and I'll agree that he hasn't done too bad to keep his average from dropping by just a pt. What it highlights is what a terrible decision it was to pick him in the first place. If they couldn't afford Lindgren, they STILL shouldn't have signed Thorssell with the average he was saddled with. Not an attack on Thorssell, just the realities of the average system. You’re getting the Poole mentality. The good thing about Wolves is that they stick by their riders and maintain continuity. Swindon shouldn’t have kept Leigh Adams on his average every season but every Robins’ fan is glad we did. He was a pleasure to watch regardless of what it did to our chances of winning the league. And we shouldn’t have signed Doyle last year on 13.42 but we did and we won the league. If I were a Wolves fan I’d much rather keep Thorsell than sign Bjerre or Andersen who some other journeyman number one on a perceived better average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, DC2 said: You’re getting the Poole mentality. The good thing about Wolves is that they stick by their riders and maintain continuity. Nothing to do with the 'Poole' mentality. Over the years numerous riders have had to have a season away from the club due to their averages not fitting or being right for that particular season. Far bigger names than Thorssell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 9 hours ago, BWitcher said: Somehow thinking riding one point below your average is 'decent' is laughable. Although, I'll cut you some slack because in some respects it isn't bad... and I'll agree that he hasn't done too bad to keep his average from dropping by just a pt. What it highlights is what a terrible decision it was to pick him in the first place. If they couldn't afford Lindgren, they STILL shouldn't have signed Thorssell with the average he was saddled with. Not an attack on Thorssell, just the realities of the average system. Of course he isn’t doing bad, that’s why I said previously that to maintain that average he will be doing very well. I actually expected him to add to his average at the start of the season. Hence why I said he is doing a decent job. If you think that’s laughable then so be it. We have been top 4 most of the season so far so we are having a ‘decent’ season so far. However due to injuries we are at risk of that all coming undone in the coming weeks if nothing changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 minute ago, stevebrum said: Of course he isn’t doing bad, that’s why I said previously that to maintain that average he will be doing very well. I actually expected him to add to his average at the start of the season. Hence why I said he is doing a decent job. If you think that’s laughable then so be it. We have been top 4 most of the season so far so we are having a ‘decent’ season so far. However due to injuries we are at risk of that all coming undone in the coming weeks if nothing changes. Let me get this straight. You expected Thorssell to add to his average at the start of the season. He has dropped a pt. Hence you think he is doing a decent job? Err yes... that's laughable! Thorssell's performances haven't been laughable. The club signing him as No 1 on the average he had was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: Let me get this straight. You expected Thorssell to add to his average at the start of the season. He has dropped a pt. Hence you think he is doing a decent job? Err yes... that's laughable! Thorssell's performances haven't been laughable. The club signing him as No 1 on the average he had was. No one was laughing when he was scoring a maximum. The problem that’s been exposed is when we struggle in a meeting or lose a meeting we should have won will point us to a number one who isn’t scoring what Freddie would have done. as is always the case one rider doesn’t make a team. There are bigger issues than Jacob dropping his average a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just now, stevebrum said: No one was laughing when he was scoring a maximum. The problem that’s been exposed is when we struggle in a meeting or lose a meeting we should have won will point us to a number one who isn’t scoring what Freddie would have done. as is always the case one rider doesn’t make a team. There are bigger issues than Jacob dropping his average a bit. Stop bringing Lindgren into it. It's not relevant. What you need is riders to maintain their average as a minimum.. and improve them to be successful. When we sign a rider almost guaranteed to lower his average pressure is then put on other members of the team who have to increase theirs by more to compensate. Thorssell, Heeps and Howarth have been the positions letting us down. As stated, Thorssell himself hasn't been letting us down, the management let us down by putting him in that position. Howarth has been blighted by injuries which effected his performances... and Heeps I'm afraid has been woeful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: Stop bringing Lindgren into it. It's not relevant. What you need is riders to maintain their average as a minimum.. and improve them to be successful. When we sign a rider almost guaranteed to lower his average pressure is then put on other members of the team who have to increase theirs by more to compensate. Thorssell, Heeps and Howarth have been the positions letting us down. As stated, Thorssell himself hasn't been letting us down, the management let us down by putting him in that position. Howarth has been blighted by injuries which effected his performances... and Heeps I'm afraid has been woeful. Of course it’s relevant, you keep mentioning that we shouldn’t have signed Thorssell instead of Lindgren. Howarth being injury jinxed and Heeps have been the biggest disappointments this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Of course it’s relevant, you keep mentioning that we shouldn’t have signed Thorssell instead of Lindgren. Howarth being injury jinxed and Heeps have been the biggest disappointments this season. We shouldn't have signed Thorssell. Period. Lindgren was simply an option, if we couldn't afford him we should have gone elsewhere. You are right in your second sentence, but that's what happens when you mess up your team building, it only takes something else to go wrong and problems escalate quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
847084 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 Woffinden’s low average in 2009 played a large contributory factor in winning the play off as did his appearance in place of Kylmakorpi two years ago. Looking at the starting seven in 2018 it was / is difficult to see where the improvement was likely to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 hours ago, 847084 said: Woffinden’s low average in 2009 played a large contributory factor in winning the play off as did his appearance in place of Kylmakorpi two years ago. Looking at the starting seven in 2018 it was / is difficult to see where the improvement was likely to occur. Agreed, although the increase in Masters and Schlein has helped us to a good start to the season. Morris has proved to be a good signing in reserve. Not in the main team tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Agreed, although the increase in Masters and Schlein has helped us to a good start to the season. Morris has proved to be a good signing in reserve. Not in the main team tho. Masters wasn't having a good year till he moved to No 4. Schlein was flying at No 4, less so since he moved to a heat leader spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, stevebrum said: Agreed, although the increase in Masters and Schlein has helped us to a good start to the season. Morris has proved to be a good signing in reserve. Not in the main team tho. Which wouldn't be an issue if Heeps had performed. We effectively have 3 reserves and without Howarth we are screwed, hopefully he will be back on monday Edited July 13, 2018 by Call me wolfie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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