A ORLOV Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 With the way the bspa runs speedway does anyone think they have a clue about broadcasting it inhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said: I watch Sabmar's coverage frequently. It's just about acceptable if you don't mind the very limited quality, constantly inaccurate captions and general feeling that it's made by amateurs. Still, it's only speedway, doesn't deserve having it done properly eh? Let's just do it on the cheap and hope the punters are desperate or easily pleased, eh? Lovely jubbly! Having incorrect captions is down to their crew, not the equipment. No, the standard will not be “broadcast quality”. Having broadcast quality would be overkill for an online stream. Subscribers would expect, “good enough” but wouldn’t expect broadcast quality with fancy graphics and Pearson and Tatum. They could have a good dvd commentator like the guy from Belle Vue. Plus a guy doing interviews from a fixed position in the pits. Four cameras would do a decent job. BT bring nothing to the sport. They pay nothing and take away fans from the stadium. No benefits. Unless they are prepared to pay a good price the contract should be terminated imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 You do have to wonder.....3million watch the Champions League final with at least one promo for Rye,and what happens some weeks later?Rye seem to have big problems!!!!That worked well,disn’t it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 hours ago, GiveusaB said: Before the perfect TV package/promotion, is put in place, we need to rid the sport of the dinosaurs at the helm of the BSPA........imo ! Many Dinosaurs will regard your post as grossly offensive as they regard themselves as a lot more forward thinking than BSPA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: Much, much cheaper than you would think. There’s a lot of companies manufacturing completely affordable equipment. Several thousand would have a very pro setup. The studio mixer is a laptop. A quality internet connection is the main requirement but nearly everywhere has fibre broadband nowdays. Certainly good enough for this. Any of the video boys could have a setup running in no time. All revenue to speedway for minimal outlay plus wages for the guys. HOW many speedway stadiums have fibre broadband. Just asking the question ... time for flagrag to make a contribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 46 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Having incorrect captions is down to their crew, not the equipment. No, the standard will not be “broadcast quality”. Having broadcast quality would be overkill for an online stream. Subscribers would expect, “good enough” but wouldn’t expect broadcast quality with fancy graphics and Pearson and Tatum. They could have a good dvd commentator like the guy from Belle Vue. Plus a guy doing interviews from a fixed position in the pits. Four cameras would do a decent job. BT bring nothing to the sport. They pay nothing and take away fans from the stadium. No benefits. Unless they are prepared to pay a good price the contract should be terminated imo. THEY pay for the production 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THEY pay for the production Just had a letter from BT saying the rental charge will be going up next month so that will be me out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THEY pay for the production But so what? BT are the ones to benefit, not speedway. They have a unique product, and they can sell advertising. By all accounts viewing figures are favourable. So a win for them. What does speedway get out of it? Lower gates at the televised meeting. Time for speedway to take control of their product and make some money through streaming. Other sports do it alreading including ice hockey. If it works for them there’s no reason why it can’t bring money into uk clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: But so what? BT are the ones to benefit, not speedway. They have a unique product, and they can sell advertising. By all accounts viewing figures are favourable. So a win for them. What does speedway get out of it? Lower gates at the televised meeting. Time for speedway to take control of their product and make some money through streaming. Other sports do it alreading including ice hockey. If it works for them there’s no reason why it can’t bring money into uk clubs. But same applied when Sky were doing it Steve. Gates would drop then, appart from the very early days. But the sky money covered any drop in gates, in effect the BT momey should do, but it down to respective clubs to dangle the carrot, get more through the gates and with the BT money more than cover any potential loses. Edited July 2, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I bet Pete Ballinger or Speedway Portal would be keen as mustard to get the chance. I bet they'd be counting the minutes on one hand before someone would tell the world how their super new streaming service could be viewed for free on Kodi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 49 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: But so what? BT are the ones to benefit, not speedway. They have a unique product, and they can sell advertising. By all accounts viewing figures are favourable. So a win for them. What does speedway get out of it? Lower gates at the televised meeting. Time for speedway to take control of their product and make some money through streaming. Other sports do it alreading including ice hockey. If it works for them there’s no reason why it can’t bring money into uk clubs. WOULD get a lot more if clubs actually worked at it. Do special ad deals for a TV night, put signage up. Production guys would happily comply to ensure maximum coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 I am in favour of BT and greatly enjoy their broadcasts BUT the Rye House meeting was a very poor advert for "speedway racing near you" and the Wolverhampton one was nearly as bad. However you advertise it, the product it is not much cop ( UK league racing ) and that reflected in the very poor attendances in the stadium. Had it said "Get a taste of speedway for only £10 next week at Rye House" I believe it would have drawn a much better crowd. Even if they were disappointed on the night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) I am also a fan of broadcast speedway. I like the coverage on BT as I enjoyed the coverage previously on Sky. But these multi billion pound companies should not be dictating that they can have British speedway for nothing. By doing so we have now seen the collapse of one club and many others are struggling. If they want the product on their screens they should darn well pay for it. They pay millions of pounds per football match. Crystal Palace v WBA costs something like 9.3 million to screen. 9.3 million for a whole season of speedway would be good vfm. And yet they pay a club 3000 pounds to screen a live speedway meeting which takes up similar air time. Even if the excuse that more people watch the football, how many £3000 go into £9.3 million? There isn’t THAT many more fans watching (x3,100) Ten times more perhaps. Edited July 2, 2018 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: I am also a fan of broadcast speedway. I like the coverage on BT as I enjoyed the coverage previously on Sky. But these multi billion pound companies should not be dictating that they can have British speedway for nothing. By doing so we have now seen the collapse of one club and many others are struggling. If they want the product on their screens they should darn well pay for it. They pay millions of pounds per football match. Crystal Palace v WBA costs something like 9.3 million to screen. 9.3 million for a whole season of speedway would be good vfm. And yet they pay a club 3000 pounds to screen a live speedway meeting. Agree with the above but speedway seemed to have no choice, it was take the money we offer or forget the coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: I am also a fan of broadcast speedway. I like the coverage on BT as I enjoyed the coverage previously on Sky. But these multi billion pound companies should not be dictating that they can have British speedway for nothing. By doing so we have now seen the collapse of one club and many others are struggling. If they want the product on their screens they should darn well pay for it. They pay millions of pounds per football match. Crystal Palace v WBA costs something like 9.3 million to screen. 9.3 million for a whole season of speedway would be good vfm. And yet they pay a club 3000 pounds to screen a live speedway meeting which takes up similar air time. Even if the excuse that more people watch the football, how many £3000 to into £9.3 million? I agree with most of your post Steve, but speedways not in the same position as premier league football Sadly they are in a position to dictate, Speedways not.. Although i do agree, its harsh. Thats why i keep saying, clubs need to add an incentive come Televised meetings. You've only got to look at the attendances at the recent TV meetings to tell you a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbiter Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 Cannot compare football to speedway ffs Speedway is a mickey mouse sport run by chimps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Agree with the above but speedway seemed to have no choice, it was take the money we offer or forget the coverage. What money? £3000 doesn’t go anywhere near covering the shortfall left by stayaway fans watching on the box. The experiment of charging a tenner never worked either as clubs didn’t make up the shortfall with fans coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: What money? £3000 doesn’t go anywhere near covering the shortfall left by stayaway fans watching on the box. The experiment of charging a tenner never worked either as clubs didn’t make up the shortfall with fans coming in. I did not say it covered the shortfall, in fact I posted before the season started that clubs would lose out because people would stay at home to watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 If speedway went in house that’s pretty much where it will stay, only current fans would get to see it and personally I wouldn’t purchase it, I can see a tiny financial benifit for speedway itself but no sponsor in their right mind would be interested as it has no audience, I do think BT is selling us a bit short with the money but that’s totally our own fault, BT deal in millions v speedway deal in peanuts, no wonder who the winner is there, we have the perfect platform and get decent viewing figures but we can’t get our own house in order, we need to turn the viewing figures into punters on the terraces and we will never do that with in house filming, we have to be out there in the big wide world 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: What money? £3000 doesn’t go anywhere near covering the shortfall left by stayaway fans watching on the box. The experiment of charging a tenner never worked either as clubs didn’t make up the shortfall with fans coming in. Do you honestly believe that BSPA would have accepted a deal for £3k per meeting? Way off the mark, and would have been a case of no TV coverage if that was the case I'm sure. Wherever that figure has come from (I've seen it mentioned a few times) it has been divided by about 5 I'd reckon! That said, streaming is still a viable proposition, if marketed and worked at correctly Edited July 3, 2018 by Reliant Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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