Wolverhampton v Leicester Monday June 25th TV match

[stevebrum]

8 hours ago, robins les said:

Thought a bit of common sense could have been used when Sarjeant was excluded when sat on Anderson's bike. There was more time wasted in giving another 2 min warning.

So you are saying that sometimes 2 minutes should be 2 minutes and a bit?? Absolutely not. Sarj was rightfully excluded and his actions alone caused the extra 2 minutes. Heat 2 was a farce because of him not the ref.

[stevebrum]

1 minute ago, noaksey said:

I know Steve I thought Wolves had said previously that Doc was "taking a break" rather than he'd packed it in 

I’m not sure what has been said officially but I’m lead to understand he won’t be back due to ill health.

[noaksey]

1 minute ago, stevebrum said:

I’m not sure what has been said officially but I’m lead to understand he won’t be back due to ill health.

Yes Wolves well Adams have confirmed that now 

[stevebrum]

6 minutes ago, noaksey said:

Yes Wolves well Adams have confirmed that now 

Such a sad loss. The track is everything and we have been spoilt with such a brilliantly prepared track over the years.

Edited June 26, 2018 by stevebrum
Edited for accuracy.

[Col]

12 hours ago, robins les said:

The only overtaking was when a rider made an error & came of his racing line.

You do Pieszczek a disservice.

[BWitcher]

1 hour ago, Fred Flange said:

The exception that proves the rule.

You forget he passed Nathan Greaves, that changes things

[Argos]

Is that the same Glyn Taylor that was sacked from Poole 

[New Science]

On ‎6‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 12:17 PM, Call me wolfie said:

There is definately a difference with the track this year, gate 4 is awful until late in the meetings, as is the outside line

Think there is some smoke and mirrors going on here. There hasn't been an outside line at Monmore for 8 years. Its practically now a trapping contest with 1 line, example being Sam Masters in heat 15. Unbeaten all night but missed the gate in heat 15 and couldn't make any impression. Worrying last night there looked to be less than 500 there , watching an unbeaten home team on a nice night with no football clash

Edited June 27, 2018 by New Science

[BWitcher]

44 minutes ago, New Science said:

Think there is some smoke and mirrors going on here. There hasn't been an outside line at Monmore for 8 years. Its practically now a trapping contest with 1 line, example being Sam Masters in heat 15. Unbeaten all night but missed the gate in heat 15 and couldn't make any impression. Worrying last night there looked to be less than 500 there , watching an unbeaten home team on a nice night with no football clash

They lost their last match at home did they not?

And there was football on, maybe not England but World Cup the same.

Also think Masters is the wrong example to use.. he'd be last if he missed the gate regardless of the track

That said... I agree, that meeting was very poor and the outside line has been becoming less and less over the years. 

The declining crowds are more to do with the team being picked. Yes, they may be winning.. but there's no 'star' name there now. Wolves fans have been used to Ermolenko, Correy, PK, Mikael, Lindgren over the years. Now Rory Schlein? 

I strongly believe leaving Lindgren out for financial reasons has/will cost them even more financially from fans simply staying away.

Edited June 27, 2018 by BWitcher

[Call me wolfie]

1 hour ago, New Science said:

Think there is some smoke and mirrors going on here. There hasn't been an outside line at Monmore for 8 years. Its practically now a trapping contest with 1 line, example being Sam Masters in heat 15. Unbeaten all night but missed the gate in heat 15 and couldn't make any impression. Worrying last night there looked to be less than 500 there , watching an unbeaten home team on a nice night with no football clash

Don't forget it was on BT so the decision to charge normal admission prices was always going to have an adverse effect on the crowd

[BWitcher]

8 hours ago, Call me wolfie said:

Don't forget it was on BT so the decision to charge normal admission prices was always going to have an adverse effect on the crowd

And an adverse effect on the sport as a whole.

The fact the buffoons haven't realised this after 20 years is staggering.

[mike1944]

Easy to blame BT for lack of crowds because it was televised but were crowds, as a whole, better in the earlier part of the season before BT started televising meetings.  Were crowds that much better when the meeting is not televised. Being televised does not exactly stop people watching the many other sports that are televised. Perhaps it is the fact that the amount of admision charged is putting yoo many people off especially for how much actual racing time there is and the fact that many of these races are a procession following the gater for 4 laps.

[Call me wolfie]

3 hours ago, mike1944 said:

Easy to blame BT for lack of crowds because it was televised but were crowds, as a whole, better in the earlier part of the season before BT started televising meetings.  Were crowds that much better when the meeting is not televised. Being televised does not exactly stop people watching the many other sports that are televised. Perhaps it is the fact that the amount of admision charged is putting yoo many people off especially for how much actual racing time there is and the fact that many of these races are a procession following the gater for 4 laps.

To answer your question crowds have been very good at Monmore this year. The televised one on Monday was way down attendance wise, possibly by as much as 30 to 40%, it's difficult to say exactly but that's my guess. If attendance is up again for the next one we will have our answer. The only blip apart from Monday was the ko cup but that was effectively a dead rubber

[New Science]

6 hours ago, Call me wolfie said:

To answer your question crowds have been very good at Monmore this year. The televised one on Monday was way down attendance wise, possibly by as much as 30 to 40%, it's difficult to say exactly but that's my guess. If attendance is up again for the next one we will have our answer. The only blip apart from Monday was the ko cup but that was effectively a dead rubber

Wow , another one with his head in the clouds. Attendances at Monmore are about half what they used to be 10 years ago, how can that be  " very good "  With one stand open on the home straight you can use your own eyes to see its obviously  less than half  full. Attendances in speedway are on the critical list, Wolverhampton is no exception. 

[Call me wolfie]

9 hours ago, New Science said:

Wow , another one with his head in the clouds. Attendances at Monmore are about half what they used to be 10 years ago, how can that be  " very good "  With one stand open on the home straight you can use your own eyes to see its obviously  less than half  full. Attendances in speedway are on the critical list, Wolverhampton is no exception. 

I was comparing it to recent seasons not 10 years ago

[justathought]

I suspect that attendances for speedway meetings are down at every uk track. 

It's not really difficult to understand why this is. Generally speaking, you very rarely get a truly enjoyable evenings entertainment with most races are follow the leader, along with endless delays and messing about between races. However, the biggest problem is the cost of admission, far too high particularly if you have to travel to the venue which incurs more expense. A friend of mine showed an interest in attending a meeting recently, that was until I told him that just to get through the gate for him and his wife would set him back £34. 

If you look around any speedway meeting the crowd is made up of a very high percentage of over 50s. You see the same faces week in week out. 

The stadiums are run down, and very much in need of investment. With poor facilities and not great viewing of any racing that might take place.  

For what is currently on offer, it just inst value for money. It is a £10 sport. 

[Aces51]

If the TV and KO Cup meeting were only 30/40% down crowds are clearly not good and that must be a concern because Wolves are one of the select few not affected by having to change their race night for the FNR.