waytogo28 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Petulance - that is only reason why KK scored 2 from 4 rides on Monday at KL and then this majestic display. That level of poor temperament is what is limiting KK's return to the highest level. He was shameless and arrogant on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Shadders said: Been somehow scraping home wins all year. This result was coming. Don’t know how long they will persevere with Max Clegg. The kid can’t buy a heat win. Yes anyone could see it coming, but Dumb and Dumber haven't helped. They have made the team weaker with Robson returning and are well under the limit. What the hell is Clegg still doing here at the end of June??? Although Garrity is a plonker, Rye should have been all over him after his scores and watching him this season. As someone has mentioned, if there skint and have no money then come out and say it so the fans can get the picture. It just seems they have no idea how to build a team or have any knowledge of riders who could come in and improve it all. Be proactive ffs, they waited until home defeats last season before they realised the team wasn't strong enough then missed out by a point or two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Petulance - that is only reason why KK scored 2 from 4 rides on Monday at KL and then this majestic display. That level of poor temperament is what is limiting KK's return to the highest level. He was shameless and arrogant on Monday. KK was struggling at Poole a few seasons ago. He was sent to a sports psychologist. The following season, he came 2nd in the World Championships. He then said he was ok and didnt required further counselling. The next season he was appalling in the GPs. Yet he still refuses to go back and sort himself out. Its so obvious what he needs to do, to everyone around him, except him. Strange guy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, KevtheRev said: Enjoyed the meeting last night. Belle Vue deserved the win and TBH it should have been an even bigger win but for some unfortunate falls. 100% commitment from both sides. Impressed with the ref, who after the delays with the sun and air fence was putting the 2 minute warning on about 5 seconds after the race had finished. That really should be the norm. As has been said, this defeat has coming coming all season. Be interesting to see what the management do now. Personally I would just like them to be honest and upfront with the fans. If they can't afford to make changes, then tell us. We can then just enjoy the racing. No need for false promises, that just leads to disgruntled fans. 17 minutes ago, Chris said: Yes anyone could see it coming, but Dumb and Dumber haven't helped. They have made the team weaker with Robson returning and are well under the limit. What the hell is Clegg still doing here at the end of June??? Although Garrity is a plonker, Rye should have been all over him after his scores and watching him this season. As someone has mentioned, if there skint and have no money then come out and say it so the fans can get the picture. It just seems they have no idea how to build a team or have any knowledge of riders who could come in and improve it all. Be proactive ffs, they waited until home defeats last season before they realised the team wasn't strong enough then missed out by a point or two. I agree with you both, KevtheRev and Chris. As fans, when we see our team struggling it is only natural that we have conversations amongst ourselves where we suggest what team changes could be made. But as we do so, we look around the track and we don't see thousands of paying punters. As you guys have said, if Jenson or Shroek were to say "We'd like to make changes but there ain't no money" or "We are looking at possible changes, bear with us for now", it would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppetman Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 This from our esteemed team manager on the BSPA website: “You know, it’s still relatively early in the season; it’s not a case of alarm bells. We’ve got to look at a couple of things, but that will come in time.” Strange that.I heard alarm bells around March this year.Talk about fiddling while Rome burns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, White City Rebel said: I agree with you both, KevtheRev and Chris. As fans, when we see our team struggling it is only natural that we have conversations amongst ourselves where we suggest what team changes could be made. But as we do so, we look around the track and we don't see thousands of paying punters. As you guys have said, if Jenson or Shroek were to say "We'd like to make changes but there ain't no money" or "We are looking at possible changes, bear with us for now", it would be appreciated. I suspect that one of the concrete rules that you sign up for as a Promoter ( with the BSPA ) is Say Nothing, Tell No-One, play the We Have Nothing to Add card at all times. Far, Far stricter than the Magic Circle! Fans! Who needs them! Edited June 21, 2018 by waytogo28 correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Tosh1218 said: The Aces were well worth the victory and 2 pt difference is not the real story only Dan and Jye struggled really the mad Manc Jason was quality all night and him and Cooky did the business in heat 15 if it want for KK it would have been embarrassing But you could have lost as Nicholls caught the tapes with his helmet and then an uncharacteristic fall when poised to go past Garrity. Odd team changes where I thought Clegg could have taken Nicholls place when he hit the tapes and got his 3rd ride out the way, starting 15 metres behind at Rye is certain defeat it ain’t Belle Vue! Dare I say it but Kennett would have made the difference. Belle Vue do have a talented team and deserve success. Edited June 21, 2018 by GWC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 hours ago, waytogo28 said: Petulance - that is only reason why KK scored 2 from 4 rides on Monday at KL and then this majestic display. That level of poor temperament is what is limiting KK's return to the highest level. He was shameless and arrogant on Monday. Cant comment on Monday but I guess it was a bad day at the office but overall I think KK in the 20 odd matches for the Rockets has been more than fine (four home matches he has won heats 13 and 15 when we needed it) and after flying in from Poland and crowds of 12 -15,000 and seeing Max Clegg unloading his bikes one wonders what goes on his mind. Like everyone I suspect he will go through a spell that has blighted his career in England but that hasn't happened yet, so please give credit where credits due. My bigger concern is Chris Harris, another home meeting laced with 3 very ordinary rides mixed with 1 belter (last night he got overtaken by BOTH opponents on one lap) not the trademark of "even if I lose I will be buzzing around the riders in front of me" that has graced his career has made him such a crowd favourite. A normal Bomber score would have allowed us to accommodate Nicholls (still he busted a gut in every race) who really did have "one of those nights 7 hours ago, White City Rebel said: I agree with you both, KevtheRev and Chris. As fans, when we see our team struggling it is only natural that we have conversations amongst ourselves where we suggest what team changes could be made. But as we do so, we look around the track and we don't see thousands of paying punters. As you guys have said, if Jenson or Shroek were to say "We'd like to make changes but there ain't no money" or "We are looking at possible changes, bear with us for now", it would be appreciated. Absolutely, if the business plan needs to be watered down, please say so, I will continue to support the Rockets through and through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Dan Bewley showing once again he can't do it on the small tracks? or I am being too harsh on the lad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, marko said: Dan Bewley showing once again he can't do it on the small tracks? or I am being too harsh on the lad? Rides Wolverhampton and Ipswich well , are they considered small tracks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 It the (racing?) surface, not the size or shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, waytogo28 said: I suspect that one of the concrete rules that you sign up for as a Promoter ( with the BSPA ) is Say Nothing, Tell No-One, play the We Have Nothing to Add card at all times. Far, Far stricter than the Magic Circle! Fans! Who needs them! After ten years as a supporter I foolishly volunteered to help out on the supporters club. From then on I was subjected to endless venom from a member of the promotion to the point where it all just fell apart for me. I could barely face attending meetings and spent several years away from the track subsequently. You wouldn't treat a dog like it, and certainly not a dedicated customer of ten years' standing. On one occasion we were told very arrogantly that the team had signed a rider who was going to be the next great thing. Being then a keen student of the sport as a whole and avid statistician I said "Isn't he the one just dropped by Exeter?" It was a pretty appalling thing to say, I must admit. It was met with "You supporters think they know EVERYTHING!" and a slamming of the office door. The rider lasted about a month, The person concerned almost destroyed speedway for me. Thankfully it was just before I was 'discovered' as a commentator and that saved my interest in the sport. It was only Ron Russell who could get me back to Rye House. When the person I referred to earlier showed up again in 2000, that is why I immediately walked away from Rye House. I know some were mystified at the time but I could not let my personal life be severely affected by speedway again. What relevance has this to current events? I see promoters who treat supporters like dirt being hailed as heroes and the genuine ones often treated as idiots by fans. BOTH PROMOTERS AND FANS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THE SPORT IS TOO SMALL NOT TO. Just the right information at the right time can keep the supporters' faith. Communication is all for silence can easily be misconstrued as contempt. Anyway, I'd better walk away from the Rye House discussion now in case I cop for a ban before I even get the chance to see my second meeting there in 25 years.... Edited June 21, 2018 by RobMcCaffery 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said: After ten years as a supporter I foolishly volunteered to help out on the supporters club. From then on I was subjected to endless venom from a member of the promotion to the point where it all just fell apart for me. I could barely face attending meetings and spent several years away from the track subsequently. You wouldn't treat a dog like it, and certainly not a dedicated customer of ten years' standing. On one occasion we were told very arrogantly that the team had signed a rider who was going to be the next great thing. Being then a keen student of the sport as a whole and avid statistician I said "Isn't he the one just dropped by Exeter?" It was a pretty appalling thing to say, I must admit. It was met with "You supporters think they know EVERYTHING!" and a slamming of the office door. The rider lasted about a month, The person concerned almost destroyed speedway for me. Thankfully it was just before I was 'discovered' as a commentator and that saved my interest in the sport. It was only Ron Russell who could get me back to Rye House. When the person I referred to earlier showed up again in 2000, that is why I immediately walked away from Rye House. I know some were mystified at the time but I could not let my personal life be severely affected by speedway again. What relevance has this to current events? I see promoters who treat supporters like dirt being hailed as heroes and the genuine ones often treated as idiots by fans. BOTH PROMOTERS AND FANS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THE SPORT IS TOO SMALL NOT TO. Just the right information at the right time can keep the supporters' faith. Communication is all for silence can easily be misconstrued as contempt. Anyway, I'd better walk away from the Rye House discussion now in case I cop for a ban before I even get the chance to see my second meeting there in 25 years.... One of speedway's worst failings is the way some of its management (for want of a better word) treat paying fans. Aggressive, arrogant and even abusive on occasion and at the same time as they are complaining about falling gates and making ends meet As an example, and solely because of responses I got to exactly the same viewpoint, I refuse to go to one track (and I am anything but alone in that) and constantly bang the drum for another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, marko said: Dan Bewley showing once again he can't do it on the small tracks? or I am being too harsh on the lad? Was really struggling out the gate at wolves and rye house. Left himself to much to do. Was on the pace but the tracks this week haven't give him anything to work with while at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: After ten years as a supporter I foolishly volunteered to help out on the supporters club. From then on I was subjected to endless venom from a member of the promotion to the point where it all just fell apart for me. I could barely face attending meetings and spent several years away from the track subsequently. You wouldn't treat a dog like it, and certainly not a dedicated customer of ten years' standing. On one occasion we were told very arrogantly that the team had signed a rider who was going to be the next great thing. Being then a keen student of the sport as a whole and avid statistician I said "Isn't he the one just dropped by Exeter?" It was a pretty appalling thing to say, I must admit. It was met with "You supporters think they know EVERYTHING!" and a slamming of the office door. The rider lasted about a month, The person concerned almost destroyed speedway for me. Thankfully it was just before I was 'discovered' as a commentator and that saved my interest in the sport. It was only Ron Russell who could get me back to Rye House. When the person I referred to earlier showed up again in 2000, that is why I immediately walked away from Rye House. I know some were mystified at the time but I could not let my personal life be severely affected by speedway again. What relevance has this to current events? I see promoters who treat supporters like dirt being hailed as heroes and the genuine ones often treated as idiots by fans. BOTH PROMOTERS AND FANS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THE SPORT IS TOO SMALL NOT TO. Just the right information at the right time can keep the supporters' faith. Communication is all for silence can easily be misconstrued as contempt. Anyway, I'd better walk away from the Rye House discussion now in case I cop for a ban before I even get the chance to see my second meeting there in 25 years.... Rob, your posts on here have made very interesting reading. You are clearly still very passionate about British speedway - I hope that continues to be the case in the future! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, White City Rebel said: Rob, your posts on here have made very interesting reading. You are clearly still very passionate about British speedway - I hope that continues to be the case in the future! Well said White City Rebel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 It would not make much difference if I was banned by King's Lynn Speedway because I no longer care much if I go or not. I went last Monday to embrace my current Hero Robert Lambert and get a photo with him and the British Champion's trophy. Is that the action of a speedway supporter who doesn't care? Three years ago I cared desperately that Robert would stay on with the Stars, having watched him start in the National League. But the decisions taken by the promotion over the past few years have sadly dulled my enthusiasm for the club. Their apparent lack of interest in and involvement with the fans has seen many others walk away as well. I still have my Supporters Club membership card from 1968 and that prompted me to re-join 50 years on, perhaps as a kind of farewell. Rock On Ruthless, wherever you may ride in the future, I'll be cheering as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 13 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: Was really struggling out the gate at wolves and rye house. Left himself to much to do. Was on the pace but the tracks this week haven't give him anything to work with while at the back. BEING able to handle the big tracks will be important going forward ... none like Rye House or Lakeside on the World Championship circuits or indeed in Poland or Sweden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 57 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: BEING able to handle the big tracks will be important going forward ... none like Rye House or Lakeside on the World Championship circuits or indeed in Poland or Sweden. I thought Cardiff was always on the smaller side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 14 hours ago, White City Rebel said: Rob, your posts on here have made very interesting reading. You are clearly still very passionate about British speedway - I hope that continues to be the case in the future! Many thanks. It's been a while since I've written like this. Partly it's down to having been rather il lately and that tends to make you reassess priorities and partly that I've been honoured to be asked to write the eulogy for Kelvin's funeral. It's a great honour. Sadly I'll be recuperating in Cornwall so a suitable stand-in will be reading my words. I still love this sport despite everything it threw at me over the years. It does leave me a little lacking in patience with certain types posters though. Does it show? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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