high edge Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 I am relay sick of Championship teams using foreign riders at reserve,for god sake how are we ever going to ever get more British riders coming through. There are enough riders in the National League to cover those positions.It worked in 2014 to a extent in the Elite league but should then have been tried in the second tier. Anyone got any opinions on this 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 They've tried it a couple of times in the middle tier , but for som e reason they keep dropping it , I agree it's the only way for young Brits to progress . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel'n'Back Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Sheffield have 2 young Brits at reserve... other teams may prefer foreign riders, whether it's right or wrong? Personally, would prefer young British riders coming through but it's all about points limits at the end of the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 11 hours ago, high edge said: I am relay sick of Championship teams using foreign riders at reserve,for god sake how are we ever going to ever get more British riders coming through. There are enough riders in the National League to cover those positions.It worked in 2014 to a extent in the Elite league but should then have been tried in the second tier. Anyone got any opinions on this Agree,but these NL riders think they have made it and want too much points money IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Agree,but these NL riders think they have made it and want too much points money IMO Can you actually name any names, would that money still be more than paying air fares for an overseas rider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, foamfence said: Can you actually name any names, would that money still be more than paying air fares for an overseas rider? 4 minutes ago, foamfence said: Can you actually name any names, would that money still be more than paying air fares for an overseas rider? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, foamfence said: Can you actually name any names, would that money still be more than paying air fares for an overseas rider? Depends what you call a "foreign" rider. Berwick have Dany Gappmaier, Jye Etheridge and Theo Pijper, all been at reserve this season, all "foreign", but all live in this county full time during the season, so not much travelling expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornaby48 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Years ago British riders tried to make their way into speed way via the second half reserve and rider of the night races, these have long gone now but it was interesting spotting future talent. Nowadays we don't even give them a chance at no 8 when rider replacement is used. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 hours ago, topsoil said: Depends what you call a "foreign" rider. Berwick have Dany Gappmaier, Jye Etheridge and Theo Pijper, all been at reserve this season, all "foreign", but all live in this county full time during the season, so not much travelling expenses. All foreign by any defintion you may wish to choose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 good example to this is kyle bickley very good national league rider but look how hard hes finding it in the middle tier im sure most expected it to take time for kyle to start scoring but combination of things has made it hard for kyle 1 day he will click and start scoring and then in turn start improving just because theres plenty of riders in the lower league it dosnt mean they can fill a reserve berth in the league above successfully 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 4 hours ago, scaramanga said: good example to this is kyle bickley very good national league rider but look how hard hes finding it in the middle tier im sure most expected it to take time for kyle to start scoring but combination of things has made it hard for kyle 1 day he will click and start scoring and then in turn start improving just because theres plenty of riders in the lower league it dosnt mean they can fill a reserve berth in the league above successfully Looking at his scores, it may have been a season too early for him, but I'm sure he will make it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, topsoil said: Looking at his scores, it may have been a season too early for him, but I'm sure he will make it. and that's my point so many are calling for thease riders to fill the reserve berths when there not ready I thought and still do think young kyle has a future in the sport hes not too far off the pace and if he was getting regular meetings and the right help and advice he should start scoring he looks different on the bike than he was last year maybe his confidence has took a knock and he isn't as comfortable as he was but somethings different 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesR Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Perhaps if the teams had a minimum average for the top 5 riders and then any 2 British riders below a certain premier or championship average and any national league rider. I'm sure this would have helped Bickley this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 brits at reserve would make sense to me, especially using the EL "fast track" format where there were 2 reserves heats! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 I`d like to see more encouragement to sign young British riders, for example from 16-18 they should be on a protected 2pt average, from 18-21 a 4pt protected average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Yes but the system I think would/could be manipulated by some. How would you decide who gets first pick if that is the route taken or would players be drafted to certain clubs? You may also find some NL riders will not wanted to be based with Northern clubs and if you allow the clubs to determine who gets which riders, some clubs will offer silly money to get the better NL riders and the others will be left with slim pickings (no disrespect meant to any of the NL riders). I think it is a great idea in principle and a way to develop younger or less experienced riders but, I can't see it working or happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high edge Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 4:34 PM, szkocjasid said: 2 brits at reserve would make sense to me, especially using the EL "fast track" format where there were 2 reserves heats! And their other rides could be against the number two riders just need to tweek the format a little 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 5:46 PM, screm said: I`d like to see more encouragement to sign young British riders, for example from 16-18 they should be on a protected 2pt average, from 18-21 a 4pt protected average. Offft!!! Imagine Robert Lambert in that scenario!!! Best way to being on British riders is through quality training facilities, and lots of junior league meetings. Now who is doing that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 5:46 PM, screm said: I`d like to see more encouragement to sign young British riders, for example from 16-18 they should be on a protected 2pt average, from 18-21 a 4pt protected average. Isn't that what they do in Poland. Perhaps the UK should take a look at the way the Polish do things, as it is far more successful than our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, bigeddiechek said: Offft!!! Imagine Robert Lambert in that scenario!!! Best way to being on British riders is through quality training facilities, and lots of junior league meetings. Now who is doing that... And how many Robert Lambert`s are there out there. Many tracks now run junior teams, and all of those deserve full credit for playing their part in trying to get young British riders on the road to hopefully a glittering career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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