Edinburgh vs Newcastle SGB Championship 15th June, 2018

[Al Stewart]

1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said:

Am not exactly sure what the rule states, I don't know what happened in ht 14, but was a re-run necessary ?,,,as when the rider at fault fell, it left Newcastle in a 5-1 position.

 

 

 

It was no doubt similar though Morris had come down at the same time. But it makes the same point.

[Shearer09]

Blowing points left right and centre away from home but at least we’ve still got the entertainer at home 

[ruffdiamond]

6 hours ago, Shearer09 said:

Blowing points left right and centre away from home but at least we’ve still got the entertainer at home 

Yeah, Robbo is usually decent value round Brough.

[leander]

19 hours ago, cyclone said:

If Lindgren, who had a decent first race, had matched his recent performances at the Dale, the Diamonds would have run out winners.

With a couple of passengers at reserves, Monarchs look fragile at home, and if their lineup remains unchanged, I would fear that a quite a few home defeats will be on the cards.

The slight positives tonight were the seven point returns of Pickering & Andersson in the main body of the home team,  but Newcastle can hardly be classified as strong opposition.

One quibble on the inconsistent interpretation of applying the 15m handicap in a re-run when a race is stopped when one side's riders are on a 5 - 1.

When Robson fell in heat 15 & failed to clear the track, the race was stopped on the second lap, with the Monarchs comfortably leading Kus on a 5 - 1.

Unfortunately for Edinburgh, the ref (Ronnie Allen?) did not put the Diamond on a 15m handicap in the re-run, which the rulebook appears to indicate should be the option used in such circumstances.

 

Ronnie Allen ( yes it was Ronnie Allen in charge and not Willie Dishington) interpreted the rule correctly.

The rule States:-

15.8.1 If the Referee stops a heat, following an incident or accident, where the rider causing
the stoppage and his team partner were in third and fourth place and a re-run is called
with one of those riders excluded, the Referee has the sole discretion to order that the
remaining team partner will start on a 15 metre handicap in gate position c or d (the
opposing team does not change positions).

Robbo was 2nd when he fell ahead of Ricky Wells, so it cannot be said that he deliberately caused the rerun in order to give, in this case, Matej a better chance of winning. The rule is designed to penalise riders deliberately causing a race to be stopped.  That certainly wasn't the case in this instance. Robbo never looked to see what was happening ahead and tried to extricate his bike from under the air fence. And succeeded as  the riders were  coming down the back straight. If it had been, say, Sheffield the race probably wouldn't have been stopped as he would have cleared the track in time.

[cyclone]

3 hours ago, leander said:

Ronnie Allen ( yes it was Ronnie Allen in charge and not Willie Dishington) interpreted the rule correctly.

The rule States:-

15.8.1 If the Referee stops a heat, following an incident or accident, where the rider causing
the stoppage and his team partner were in third and fourth place and a re-run is called
with one of those riders excluded, the Referee has the sole discretion to order that the
remaining team partner will start on a 15 metre handicap in gate position c or d (the
opposing team does not change positions).

Robbo was 2nd when he fell ahead of Ricky Wells, so it cannot be said that he deliberately caused the rerun in order to give, in this case, Matej a better chance of winning. The rule is designed to penalise riders deliberately causing a race to be stopped.  That certainly wasn't the case in this instance. Robbo never looked to see what was happening ahead and tried to extricate his bike from under the air fence. And succeeded as  the riders were  coming down the back straight. If it had been, say, Sheffield the race probably wouldn't have been stopped as he would have cleared the track in time.

When the race was stopped on lap 2, Kus was in 3rd place & Robson was in fourth place, albeit trying to remove himself & his bike from the track.

Also your interpretation that "The rule is designed to penalise riders deliberately causing a race to be stopped" is not what is stated. 

As can been in the highlighted quote it states "causing the stoppage".  (i.e. whether deliberate or not ).

 

[boomerang]

again captain fantastic with a crap return away from home on a track that he normally likes just is not good enough.

kus has done more in his two away meeting,s than lindgren has done all season.

welcome back matej you must be a bit peeved why the promotion overlooked you for nearly a season and a half 

after going tooth and nail to sign you as a full asset then never used you.i for one are glad that you are back a very 

likeable guy always got time for the fans you stick it to the promotion pal and show them what you can do

[ruffdiamond]

3 hours ago, boomerang said:

again captain fantastic with a crap return away from home on a track that he normally likes just is not good enough.

kus has done more in his two away meeting,s than lindgren has done all season.

welcome back matej you must be a bit peeved why the promotion overlooked you for nearly a season and a half 

after going tooth and nail to sign you as a full asset then never used you.i for one are glad that you are back a very 

likeable guy always got time for the fans you stick it to the promotion pal and show them what you can do

A think Kus has done more in 2 meetings, than he did for Redcar until he left.

[leander]

15 hours ago, cyclone said:

When the race was stopped on lap 2, Kus was in 3rd place & Robson was in fourth place, albeit trying to remove himself & his bike from the track.

Also your interpretation that "The rule is designed to penalise riders deliberately causing a race to be stopped" is not what is stated. 

As can been in the highlighted quote it states "causing the stoppage".  (i.e. whether deliberate or not ).

 

It doesn't say 3rd and 4th positions when the race was stopped. Robbo caused the stoppage when falling off in 2nd place, That was the "Cause". The fact that it wasn't stopped immediately doesn't alter the fact. The rule also states the ref has sole discretion as to whether  the remaining rider goes off 15 metres or not.  In other words it'd up to the ref! 

[scotchopper]

8 hours ago, leander said:

It doesn't say 3rd and 4th positions when the race was stopped. Robbo caused the stoppage when falling off in 2nd place, That was the "Cause". The fact that it wasn't stopped immediately doesn't alter the fact. The rule also states the ref has sole discretion as to whether  the remaining rider goes off 15 metres or not.  In other words it'd up to the ref! 

Afraid you're wrong. The race was stopped because robbo failed to clear the track not because he fell therefore he was 4th when the race was stopped.

For me this rule was brought in for the case where  a rider looks up and decides whether or not to clear the track depending on how the race is going. That wasn't the case this time as Robbo was trying to clear the track but wasn't able to.

The rule also has the referees discretion in it which will always leave it up to interpretation, this will always have problems win consistency. I like the idea but not seen it actually used, there were definitely races on Friday and tonight where it could have been used for both teams