E I Addio Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I don't think the surface or the width of Lakeside is what makes it a marmite track for many people, but how tight riders have to turn to get round the bends. It makes tracks like Arena, Edinburgh, Wolves etc more challenging for away riders as they are more unique, and if as an away fan you see your riders struggling to get round efficiently it can cloud your judgement. Personally I like the variety that smaller tracks provide and I've seen more good meetings than bad at Lakeside. That said I think good racing on a big, fast track will always trump good racing on a little one. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder at the end of the day. That is a very fair post and IMO a very fair assessment. I grew up watching speedway at a big track and it took me some time to adjust to Arena but as you say its in the eye of the beholder. According to Stuart Robson, it was the most physically demanding track in what was then the Elite League, and according to Kelvin Tatum and Neil Middleditch it is a very mentally demanding track . Of course that gives it both plusses and minuses as a spectacle but unfortunately some want to dismiss it without looking for the finer points. However to see someone like Peter Karlsson performing his famous cut backs at Lakeside or Wolves is really a special aspect of the sport that you don't see at many tracks. One thing Kelvin said, is that many riders are beaten in their minds before the racing even starts. They convince themselves they cant ride certain tracks so don't overcome the mental challenge, especially if they know they have a track the next night that gives them a big payday. Of course there are the narrow minded armchair experts who never will get there minds round the fact that different tracks have different qualities, but personally I think we are very lucky in this country to have such a variety of tracks to enjoy. Its just a pity that most of them are in such dilapidated stadiums 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I think we should have a separate thread for the lakeside track it’s the same every season lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 If a rider aims to reach the top of his profession, he should be able to ride any track. The likes of Adams, Crump & Ward were brilliant at arena. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Britain is full of journeymen speedway riders these days just doing the rounds earning a living .The youngsters coming with ambition through probably won't hang around in GB for too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 60-30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: 60-30 Don't think you will be far away with that score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 bandits fans are urged to bring an egg and spoon for the race around the huge egg shaped dome . no super glue on the spoons please . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Crap crowd tonight and it's only going to get worse, 70 mins and we have only ran 7 races, no wonder people are drifting away in numbers, injuries can't be helped but this is pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Can only agree with that marko, bad crash with Kyle and I hope he’s not going to be injured for long but it’s been a bit of a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, marko said: Crap crowd tonight and it's only going to get worse, 70 mins and we have only ran 7 races, no wonder people are drifting away in numbers, injuries can't be helped but this is pathetic. I guess Portugal V Spain was more attractive. Going by some of Berwick's away performances over the years I'd probably agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Finally glad to get home after that ordeal, same old Lakeside, unless the ref is trying to push things on, its just drags and drags, they make no effort to keep the action flowing, the tractor man insists on driving on both tractors rather than saving time and having two guys going around at the same time, and given tonight there was not exactly a load of dirt to water and grade I don't really know what they were trying to achieve, plus we have literally got the same music played each and every week, and I mean the same! enough already! play something different than R.E.M and Frankie goes to Hollywood etc. oh and interviews where we can understand what is being said would be nice. Jon was hoping for a bumper crowd next Saturday, I think that's just gone for a burton, a lot of people were not happy, over two and half hours to run 15 races is a joke. Like I said in the early meetings, this is a very good team but the club make no effort with the race night experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 A little harsh there - yes, a long delay when Kyle was injured. The paramedic was with him for quite some time and no racing possible until said individual gets back in position. Gappmaier was lucky with only two exclusions - he could well have gone in Heat 4 when he failed to turn entering the first bend. As it is he did his best to inflict damage on the Lakeside riders without, apparently, doing any harm to himself. 60 points were on the card pre Kyle's injury and the remaining team members did well to accumulate 56 in the circumstances. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, TonyE said: A little harsh there - yes, a long delay when Kyle was injured. The paramedic was with him for quite some time and no racing possible until said individual gets back in position. Gappmaier was lucky with only two exclusions - he could well have gone in Heat 4 when he failed to turn entering the first bend. As it is he did his best to inflict damage on the Lakeside riders without, apparently, doing any harm to himself. 60 points were on the card pre Kyle's injury and the remaining team members did well to accumulate 56 in the circumstances. I doubt Gappmaier was deliberately intent on injuring fellow riders, that’s a ridiculous accusation. He’s not that kind of lad. What he is though is absolute pony on tight tracks. I witnessed this in two meetings at Newcastle recently where he could barely turn into the bends. He looked like a novice at a training session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 To be fair , only the referee can dictate the pace of the meeting. All the team manager , pit Marshall and clerk of the course can do is make sure the riders are on notice when they are out for the next race. Almost all the delay can be accounted for by repairs to the air fence when Lawson went under it , and more significantly waiting for the track doctor to return after treating Kyle. Those are delays that are unavoidable in this sport. Persnally, I can't remember the last time a Lakeside meeting over ran by this amount or anything like it . It must be at least 10 years. It's not ans if it's happening every meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Yes the length of time it took to complete the meeting was very much an exception and some things are out of anyone’s control, but my other points stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shadders said: I doubt Gappmaier was deliberately intent on injuring fellow riders, that’s a ridiculous accusation. He’s not that kind of lad. What he is though is absolute pony on tight tracks. I witnessed this in two meetings at Newcastle recently where he could barely turn into the bends. He looked like a novice at a training session. In fairness , I think both the incidents involving Gappmier were pure racing incidents. Emotions run high when a rider gets hurt, but as I saw it both Alfie and Dany were going hell for leather for the same piece of track, they may or may not have touched, I couldn't be sure , but Gappmier lost control and T-boned Kyle who was just ahead of them. Didn't look deliberate to me, but he have got carried away and been riding above himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 5 hours ago, E I Addio said: To be fair , only the referee can dictate the pace of the meeting. All the team manager , pit Marshall and clerk of the course can do is make sure the riders are on notice when they are out for the next race. Almost all the delay can be accounted for by repairs to the air fence when Lawson went under it , and more significantly waiting for the track doctor to return after treating Kyle. Those are delays that are unavoidable in this sport. Persnally, I can't remember the last time a Lakeside meeting over ran by this amount or anything like it . It must be at least 10 years. It's not ans if it's happening every meeting. Not totally unavoidable. I was at Plymouth a few years ago when Ash Birks was seriously injured after crashing and hitting a fence stanchion. Racing re-commenced after the fence was fixed, Plymouth having two paramedics in attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 It just seemed to be one of them meetings where everything went wrong. The bad crash with Kyle, the air fence breaking when Lawson hit it then with R/R and Kyle being withdrawn it just seemed like a rider was always having back to back rides and it felt like a delay after every race. With all the talk and jokes about the track lately I have to say the racing was poor last night with only the inside line working I remember one heat when Morris was going out wide he just went backwards. Unfortunately if you was new to the sport you wouldn’t be going back again. Some things you can’t control but their is no excuse for not setting the track up to have more than one racing line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Any news on Kyle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Predictable enough result though Berwick did at least do 2pts better last night than the previous night at Sheffield which is something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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