capone Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, GWC said: It must change next season that’s for sure unless the bspa have some form of death wish for UK speedway. Go back to the 70’s and allow one foreigner per team! Where would Poole be then! same place they were in the 70s when it was one swede per team,.....i seem to remember poole had about 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, GWC said: It must change next season that’s for sure unless the bspa have some form of death wish for UK speedway. Go back to the 70’s and allow one foreigner per team! Where would Poole be then! Closed, along with most other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Just what speedway needs, another 'us and them' post well done. He has a very valid point though. Young riders, as shown in 2014, shouldn't be jumping straight into the top flight. It is at the Championship level there should be a minimum of British riders in a team to give them a position to progress too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Closed, along with most other teams. It was a tongue in cheek comment and not constructive. However there are different opinions as to where the answer lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Been saying for ages but what about a simple reduction in average every year for British riders? Simply a point off the finishing average. Therefore making home grown riders more attractive than imports. If a team wishes to build without them so be it but offer an incentive to use Brits rather than the current begger all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 I have said for decades that any rider from abroad coming into Britain should keep their assessed average until they reach that standard and never go below that figure. Should they be ruled out of a meeting injured then that team can only cover for his real average not his assessed average. So if he comes in on a 7.00 but is averaging 4.28 then they can.only use upto 4.28 to replace him which is most likely going to be a British rider getting the rides. It also means next season will that track want to bring back a rider still on a 7.00 average when he is no where near that standard. Yet again more chances for home grown riders and most if not all second strings and reserves will be British 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Nail on head. I certainly wouldn't argue against reserves all being Brits. Josh Auty's top league average is 4.68 so it's not too high. Howarth started the season on 6.64 so the two can't be compared as first division riders. I just don't think promoters feel that Auty can be relied upon to be consistent. This year though Bagpuss he has been consistent apart from a nightmare meeting at Sheffield ( where actually he rode well great race on you tube with Charles Wright).Kerr,Howarth,Newman,Wright, have places Starke and Worrall have had rides to Auty should get them also.He got through again to the British Final beating Lambert and others to get there, look i am bias i have been a fan from the start and he has underachieved but all the English riders should be fixed up first.MS at Poole dreadfull ( not cheap) Klindt awful, your club as well have a rider who at this moment in time not good anough,Jeppesen Somerset talented but needs time.English riders in the Premiership and Championship should always be fixed up that is why Steve Howse has a great suggestion for next year.He suggested one or two young Brits ( i.e.) Kemp, Jenkins,Flint,Hume,Mountain, at reserve for every club and there should be places for brits like Howarth,Auty,Kerr (etc) in the top five a great idea.It also could balance the books up a bit more for clubs the GP riders are gone now apart from Doyle a new approach is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, BWitcher said: I once saw Andy Phillips beat Hans Nielsen. Guess he's now elevated to an all time great on that basis. Howarth is already better than Auty has EVER been and will likely improve further in the future. I don't think so also Howarth rides at a home track with a massive home advantage i don't see him averaging 6.50 in the top five at any other track.Auty has been a number 1 at Prem level ok a inconsistent one Howarth has not Auty has reached 6 British Final's Howarth 5 so they are like for like.If they had twenty rides against each other at different tracks i know who my money would be on look i like Howarth and he has progressed by going to Wolves but that track still has a huge home advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I don't think so also Howarth rides at a home track with a massive home advantage i don't see him averaging 6.50 in the top five at any other track. Autyhas been a number 1 at Prem level ok a inconsistent one Howarth has not Auty has reached 6 British Final's Howarth 5 so they are like for like. If they had twenty rides against each other at different tracks i know who my money would be on look i like Howarth and he has progressed by going to Wolves but that track still has a huge home advantage. Howarth averaged seven when riding at Brandon for Coventry as a teenager and while he has been a slow burner, he is progressing well and Howarth was Sheffields number one last season at Premiership level and again this year. As for British Finals, Auty has a number of years on Howarth so Kyle only being one short makes him slightly ahead in comparison but overall Auty has reached his level and Howarth still has room for improvement and his away scores are much improved in the top flight and I'm sure he has the chance to be part of future Team GB plans from next year unlike Auty. In my opinion Howarth takes it and with potential makes him a more attractive rider to have in any team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Just what speedway needs, another 'us and them' post well done. In most cases I would agree but in this case there is some merit It should be in the championship that things like Brit only reserves should start as well as min Brit quota etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 13 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Still a better rider than Kyle Howarth though Steve, he took him from the back at his home track Sheffield in the WC semi. Also Auty has more of a chance than Howarth at Belle Vue of mixing it and being a spoiler in the British Final. Under no logic is Auty better than Howarth. 2017. Premiership. Howarth 6.64 Auty 4.68 . Championship. Howarth 8.62 Auty 6.90. Howarth miles better in both leagues. 2016. Premiership (elite) Howarth 5.13 Auty 4.90. Championship. Howarth 7.18 Auty 7.01 Not a great deal in it but still Howarth higher than Auty. in 2 seasons Howarth has been the more improved and better rider. Anyone can make a case of a rider being better than an other by using one meeting or one track. the days of Auty being classed as a true number one have been long gone. Granted he seems in good form this year and if he maintains it then perhaps there is more to come. Has been on a downward spiral for a couple of seasons so good for him If he has managed to turn things around.and if he does well in the British final good luck to him. It’s what he does over the whole season that will count. 29 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I don't think so also Howarth rides at a home track with a massive home advantage i don't see him averaging 6.50 in the top five at any other track.Auty has been a number 1 at Prem level ok a inconsistent one Howarth has not Auty has reached 6 British Final's Howarth 5 so they are like for like.If they had twenty rides against each other at different tracks i know who my money would be on look i like Howarth and he has progressed by going to Wolves but that track still has a huge home advantage. And how was his championship average so much higher in 2017? I’m guessing because he was much better at away tracks as well. if you break down his 2017 stats for Wolves his home average was 6.74 and away 6.72. Blows your 6.50 theory out the window a little eh Sid??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 I agree, but the wording of the point leaves a lot to be desired. British Speedway will only move forward when both leagues pull in the same direction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) . Edited June 4, 2018 by Bagpuss Double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 hours ago, BWitcher said: He has a very valid point though. Young riders, as shown in 2014, shouldn't be jumping straight into the top flight. It is at the Championship level there should be a minimum of British riders in a team to give them a position to progress too. You could have a minimum of 2 British riders in the Premiership, 1 of which must be a reserve. You could then have 3 British riders in the Championship, 2 of which must be at reserve. The second highest averaged rider rides at 6 & may have 1 extra replacement ride. The lowest reserve rider rides at 7 & can take 2 extra rides. If r/r or IRR is in operation then the reserves can take 1 more ride. A good reserve should be there to assist the team rather than having the maximum 7 rides to win meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I agree, but the wording of the point leaves a lot to be desired. British Speedway will only move forward when both leagues pull in the same direction. Sorry Puss i bow down to your superior knowledge why did you double post.???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I agree, but the wording of the point leaves a lot to be desired. British Speedway will only move forward when both leagues pull in the same direction. Its only going to die a death whatever they do, its a casulty of the digital age ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, blupanther said: Its only going to die a death whatever they do, its a casulty of the digital age ... Is that the new excuse being given? Once again speedway in it's own little bubble... meanwhile other sports take advantage of the 'digital age'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: Is that the new excuse being given? Once again speedway in it's own little bubble... meanwhile other sports take advantage of the 'digital age'. Lots of outdoor sports are suffering, its not just speedway. Spectator and participant numbers are on the decline, its no excuse. With 70% of school age children spending less time outdoors than an incarcerated inmate, its quite clear that outdoor sports will suffer. Most sports realise that the weekend is the best time to operate, running mid week does UK Speedway no favours either ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, blupanther said: Lots of outdoor sports are suffering, its not just speedway. Spectator and participant numbers are on the decline, its no excuse. With 70% of school age children spending less time outdoors than an incarcerated inmate, its quite clear that outdoor sports will suffer. Most sports realise that the weekend is the best time to operate, running mid week does UK Speedway no favours either ... It's an excuse. The sport has been declining since the 80's, long before the 'digital age'. Over and over it has pointed at external factors being to blame.. and continues to do so. External factors of course have an influence, but they aren't the primary reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Sorry Puss i bow down to your superior knowledge why did you double post.???? Dodgy WiFi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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