Poole v Leicester Prem A. 30/5/18

[A ORLOV]

37 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Last Greyhound race at Monmore on a Monday is after 6pm.. Track is covered well before meeting starts at 7:30pm.

We are not talking about the dog track covers

[simon.c]

5 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

But its not the clubs fault. You cannot get that across to the dumb dumbs  on here. They are taking great delight in it because its poole. I know what the problem is Glyn does and Matt will now be fully aware. and yes, it will not be cheap. bare in mind, the bends 1-2 repairs were not done until 3 weeks before P&P day, knowhere near long enough for it to bed in properly. with the snow and rain. you needed several weeks of reasonable weather, and we did not get it. Now, please refere to my posts. Thank you.

If the repairs were left until 3 weeks before the start of the new season then yes it is the clubs fault, the promotion had from the end of last season to schedule in repair work and get this sorted out. We all agree that the track needed work doing to it but why wait to the last minute?

With regards to the rain, I have checked one of our outside security cameras keeping in mind that we are only at Sterte and yes it did rain from around 1.30 in the morning until around 5 although I would not call it torrential rain!. I don't know if the stadium drainage system has become worse over the years but I can remember days when you would have had a lot or rain and would have sworn that it would have been called of only for the meeting to go ahead

[BWitcher]

3 minutes ago, A ORLOV said:

We are not talking about the dog track covers

What covers do you want then?

There are countless sports that can cover tracks, surfaces within minutes. Once again, speedway seems to exist in it's own bubble where every problem is insurmountable.

[Najjer]

3 minutes ago, A ORLOV said:

Two reasons

1 the fence at most tracks is not strong enough to hold a rolled up wet cover.

2 the dog people, who have the main say in the stadium, will not allow anything left on the fence or infield after the speedway meeting.

This has been discussed many times.     

Have you ever felt a wet tarpaulin sheet? If a speedway fence isn't strong enough to take the weight of that, then there is bigger problems with health and safety than first feared!

With regards your second point, attach it to the top of the air fence worst case. When the air fence is deflated it will drop down or when it is removed it will also be removed in the same motion.

[A ORLOV]

4 minutes ago, Najjer said:

Have you ever felt a wet tarpaulin sheet? If a speedway fence isn't strong enough to take the weight of that, then there is bigger problems with health and safety than first feared!

With regards your second point, attach it to the top of the air fence worst case. When the air fence is deflated it will drop down or when it is removed it will also be removed in the same motion.

If it was that easy and fast to do it would have been done before now.

[BurntFaceMan]

5 minutes ago, Najjer said:

Have you ever felt a wet tarpaulin sheet? If a speedway fence isn't strong enough to take the weight of that, then there is bigger problems with health and safety than first feared!

With regards your second point, attach it to the top of the air fence worst case. When the air fence is deflated it will drop down or when it is removed it will also be removed in the same motion.

No he is right, it doesn't work like that.

First of all the weight of the water causes the sheets to bow slightly in the middle. The water then collects in the bows rather than running straight off of the sheet. The water will then (due to wind, the weight of the water, bowing in other areas, etc) move around the sheet and go down the gaps between the sheets and on to the track.

The only way to avoid this would be to have either one big oval sheet, or several sheets that can be zipped together (in a completely watertight manner, you couldn't just use regular zips) and then rigidly ratchet strapped top and bottom around the track, a meter or two apart at most, to keep the sheet tight enough to avoid bowing. For Poole this would mean a good 500 odd strapping points I'd imagine. The points they are strapped to would also need to be very strong. Strong enough to withstand strong wind, which when exerted on a piece of fabric that big can be quite a force and could easily pull out the strapping points if not strong enough.

Even if you had one big water tight sheet strapped at dozens of points around the track, then the water still has to go somewhere. You'd need a large oval drain on the inside of the track that is wide enough to catch all the water running off and also with a wide enough exit pipe to keep up with the speed of the rainfall. 

A bunch of tarpaulins strapped from the fence to the inner field won't help at all. All you'll have is a track that is just as wet, and a sh*t load of wet tarpaulins to put away.

Long story short: It won't work. You need a roof.

[Najjer]

2 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

No he is right, it doesn't work like that.

First of all the weight of the water causes the sheets to bow slightly in the middle. The water then collects in the bows rather than running straight off of the sheet. The water will then (due to wind, the weight of the water, bowing in other areas, etc) move around the sheet and go down the gaps between the sheets and on to the track.

The only way to avoid this would be to have either one big oval sheet, or several sheets that can be zipped together (in a completely watertight manner, you couldn't just use regular zips) and then rigidly ratchet strapped top and bottom around the track, a meter or two apart at most, to keep the sheet tight enough to avoid bowing. For Poole this would mean a good 500 odd strapping points I'd imagine. The points they are strapped to would also need to be very strong. Strong enough to withstand strong wind, which when exerted on a piece of fabric that big can be quite a force and could easily pull out the strapping points if not strong enough.

Even if you had one big water tight sheet strapped at dozens of points around the track, then the water still has to go somewhere. You'd need a large oval drain on the inside of the track that is wide enough to catch all the water running off and also with a wide enough exit pipe to keep up with the speed of the rainfall. 

A bunch of tarpaulins strapped from the fence to the inner field won't help at all. All you'll have is a track that is just as wet, and a sh*t load of wet tarpaulins to put away.

Long story short: It won't work. You need a roof.

Talk about over engineering a simple solution to a simple solution.

Flood the infield, who cares if the infield is a swamp if you've got a decent race track on the outside! The sheets are over such a short span, they would bow slightly in the middle but the angle is such as the inside would be pegged to the ground that it would continue to run to the infield. If the sheets are overlapped you shouldn't get any leakage at all. Pegging to the infield would be more than sufficient and wouldn't need ratchet straps at all.

I've seen it done elsewhere albeit not on a speedway track and they don't have a problem. Not sure why for speedway it's deemed to be impossible

[BurntFaceMan]

Just now, Najjer said:

Talk about over engineering a simple solution to a simple solution.

Flood the infield, who cares if the infield is a swamp if you've got a decent race track on the outside! The sheets are over such a short span, they would bow slightly in the middle but the angle is such as the inside would be pegged to the ground that it would continue to run to the infield. If the sheets are overlapped you shouldn't get any leakage at all. Pegging to the infield would be more than sufficient and wouldn't need ratchet straps at all.

I've seen it done elsewhere albeit not on a speedway track and they don't have a problem. Not sure why for speedway it's deemed to be impossible

No it doesn't work like that. It's not over engineering, it's basic engineering.

• If you flood the infield it will run back onto the track.
• 300m of track is not a short span by any means. Overlapping isn't sufficient to prevent them leaking, in fact, even a slight breeze would make them useless. Go and grab a tarpaulin, spread it out across the ground and stick some bricks on all the corners. Watch for yourself how quickly large amounts of air will wave underneath them. 
• Pegging would not be sufficient. See above. The wind alone would pull pegs out on an area that large. It's a 300m long speedway track, not a tent. 

It can't be done that way, you haven't seen it done that way anywhere else before and it wouldn't work. If it did work, they'd be doing it. Prep for meetings starts hours before the meeting starts and would add very little extra work to take some tarpaulins down. Rain offs cost the clubs an absolute fortune. There is absolutely no reason why we wouldn't all be doing it if it worked.

It doesn't work.

[Baldyman]

What sort of cover system do they have in Vojens that doesn't work?

[The Doctor...]

3 hours ago, Starman2006 said:

I didnt mention about the water table, its the only thing i didnt mention it was late.. Sadly that is also having a massive effect. Neils explanation is the same as mine, and correct.
It is soooo anoying but its just one of those things. Hopefully it will be rectified. But again, Glyn will have to go through the whole process again..
As i also said, with the amount of rain we have had this spring and winter has been stupid, mix that with the water table and you have a problem. You are fighting a loosing battle. Glyn even tried to pre-empt the riders by blading it off.  Rightly or wrongly he tried.

Does Glyn ask you to be his spokesman on here, as you seem to talk on his behalf a heck of a lot ?

I'm guessing not - personally if i was him, i'd be asking you to stop doing that as you're probably damaging any reputation he has left.

(Btw i'm not a fan of Glyns anyway as he beat Todd  about 30 years ago, it just makes me cringe seeing you type about his movements and actions all the time)

  

[OldRacer]

2 hours ago, BurntFaceMan said:

No it doesn't work like that. It's not over engineering, it's basic engineering.

What you suggest is huge over engineering.  You don't need the whole system to be completely water proof.  You just need to redirect most of the water from the track to the infield.

You have made up an incredibly complex solution and rightly pointed out it is impractical.  That doesn't mean no system is practical.

[sommelier]

4 hours ago, stevehone said:

we had this at Kings Lynn a few weeks ago too ...

You cant take it away from Chapman, he can sort a track out

[The Observer]

Am I the only one that was slightly relieved the fixture didn't go ahead, because I don't believe having Chris Harris at No. 1 would have brought the Lions many points?

I take no pride in saying that as he's been a marvelous servant to British Speedway, however he just doesn't appear to be on it this season.

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, The Doctor... said:

Does Glyn ask you to be his spokesman on here, as you seem to talk on his behalf a heck of a lot ?

I'm guessing not - personally if i was him, i'd be asking you to stop doing that as you're probably damaging any reputation he has left.

(Btw i'm not a fan of Glyns anyway as he beat Todd  about 30 years ago, it just makes me cringe seeing you type about his movements and actions all the time)

  

I am not a fan of Glyn's either ( nothing personal Glyn!!) Phil Crump was eliminated from the WC in the Aussie round after Crump had a notorious clash with Billy Sanders.Crump had scored 12 but got excluded wrongly Glyn Taylor got 13 he got asked to stand down but he took his place in the Overseas Final and was outclassed. 

[ray c]

13 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Am I the only one that was slightly relieved the fixture didn't go ahead, because I don't believe having Chris Harris at No. 1 would have brought the Lions many points?

I take no pride in saying that as he's been a marvelous servant to British Speedway, however he just doesn't appear to be on it this season.

Strange choice he was riding with an injury on Monday at rye house  and he was poor.scott would have better choice if he was available ?

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, The Doctor... said:

Does Glyn ask you to be his spokesman on here, as you seem to talk on his behalf a heck of a lot ?

I'm guessing not - personally if i was him, i'd be asking you to stop doing that as you're probably damaging any reputation he has left.

(Btw i'm not a fan of Glyns anyway as he beat Todd  about 30 years ago, it just makes me cringe seeing you type about his movements and actions all the time)

  

What meeting were you referring to Doctor???    i know you were a huge Todd fan.Also another question Doctor  when did you see the real progress from the terrific Per Jonsson? i see a lot of Per from 84/ 89 then stopped going to Reading.Per had a lovely riding style rode a lot with Malc Holloway i  knew he would be good never thought he would be World Champ though thought Gustafsson might get there before him.

[theblueboy]

47 minutes ago, sommelier said:

You cant take it away from Chapman, he can sort a track out

Maybe Chris H of Dorset and Troy B from Wiltshire could endorse your comments? 

[daz9100]

42 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Am I the only one that was slightly relieved the fixture didn't go ahead, because I don't believe having Chris Harris at No. 1 would have brought the Lions many points?

I take no pride in saying that as he's been a marvelous servant to British Speedway, however he just doesn't appear to be on it this season.

Really? Have you not seen him around Wimborne Road this year? His last 2 scores have been 12 & 9

Edited May 31, 2018 by daz9100

[sommelier]

23 minutes ago, theblueboy said:

Maybe Chris H of Dorset and Troy B from Wiltshire could endorse your comments? 

Na, whinging Aussies would never agree when there's a bit of dirt on the track...…..!!!!

[STEVEHOLS54]

12 minutes ago, sommelier said:

Na, whinging Aussies would never agree when there's a bit of dirt on the track...…..!!!!

Oh Please......

Not this subject kicking off again 

Don't know what is worse this or the ongoing track issue from last night. Have we really got to wait another 2 weeks for the next home meeting before we can kick this subject into the long grass