Gazc Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 So going by what is being said our team spirit is shot to pieces, if true that is a big worry for the owners as this was the biggest issue last season also. What is abundantly clear some are going through the motions, if as suggested the same rider is at it again this season then there can only be one outcome to try and salvage something from the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidmango Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, SharpenRake said: Think that s why cami brown was brought in as assistant manager. He has sponsored sarjeant for years even when not riding for tigers so they thought he could give him a cuddle and let Stuart dickson concentrate on tactics, talking to refs and so on. He is not having any impact on sarj and if other rumours from the pits are true the guy who helped destroy team spirit last year is at it again and if dickson couldn't prevent it last year brown certainly won't this. Anyone want to rent a speedway stadium Spot on re Sarj and not many people seem to realise that! I haven’t heard about the issue in the pits with a certain rider but that’s an interesting one. Is this a rumour or has it been confirmed? If true then they need to make a change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidmango Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, Gazc said: So going by what is being said our team spirit is shot to pieces, if true that is a big worry for the owners as this was the biggest issue last season also. What is abundantly clear some are going through the motions, if as suggested the same rider is at it again this season then there can only be one outcome to try and salvage something from the season. To be fair this is the first I’ve heard of read about team spirit being an issue. Everything in all the interviews both written and video have been stating team spirit is exceptional! Noticed a a couple of people saying Richie refused to ride heat 15, what we don’t know is did he refuse or say he didn’t feel like he was fast enough. 2 massively different answers, one putting the team first and the other the opposite! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 Some Glasgow fans going into meltdown on their Facebook page, Harris and his wife commenting as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Solidmango said: To be fair this is the first I’ve heard of read about team spirit being an issue. Everything in all the interviews both written and video have been stating team spirit is exceptional! Noticed a a couple of people saying Richie refused to ride heat 15, what we don’t know is did he refuse or say he didn’t feel like he was fast enough. 2 massively different answers, one putting the team first and the other the opposite! You could interpret things to suit your paticular mood and our mood was rock bottom yesterday and today to a lesser extent. To be fair the riders say team spirit is good so what is the issue then Kerr , Vissing & Thomas apart the rest have shown nothing in terms of consistency,, the biggest concern is there home form is actually worse than there away. Without doubt looking through the plooms of dust yesterday there is problems within this team form and attitude. Edited May 28, 2018 by Gazc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Some Glasgow fans going into meltdown on their Facebook page, Harris and his wife commenting as well. Dont use faceache meltdown in what way ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Some Glasgow fans going into meltdown on their Facebook page, Harris and his wife commenting as well. Getting emotional on social media right after a bad result is never a good idea. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Getting emotional on social media right after a bad result is never a good idea. The downside of social media , folk quick to point the finger in the aftermath of disappointment . We dont want a Poole thread , so reality check time . Cup shocks happen in every sport , where the wee diddy team gets the big team on a bad day and springs an upset . That's all that happened yesterday , no need to panic just yet . It' how we respond to yesterday that matters , we have a toughie on Friday against Scunthorpe and that will be extremely tricky . AS for the cup ...........c'mon the Bandits Edited May 28, 2018 by Paulco 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, Gazc said: Dont use faceache meltdown in what way ?. Calling for riders and team manger to be sacked, Harris and his wife replying to comments where fans have had a go at his performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Pinny said: From start of season until now. Stop nit picking. correct me if im wrong but Sarjeant was signed on a 3 with huge expectations of becoming a 5 point rider, which will never happen again. Would get shot and give his place to a brit who doesnt touch the tapes or jump the start most weeks. Also heard he is a nightmare in the pits with his constant moaning Not 'nit picking' just an observation of fact, it's hardly a whole season, we're only in May. Sarjeant. No I won't correct you as 'you aren't wrong' as they say, but any rider's starting average can vary up or down, it does seem to have gone up from his 3 point starting average to 4.20 average so far - ok for those wanting everything to be as instant as instant coffee then maybe not enough of an increase or soon enough but riders on a rising average tend to rise as the season goes on, I wouldn't for a minute suggest that Sarjeant is another Jason Lyons as he simply isn't, but I well remember his 'baptism of fire' first season and he got around 5.70 or 5.80 average, the next season about this stage in the season he was from memory either still around the same or less than that and I well remember a few dissenting voices among the Tigers faithful noting as much and saying he was still at reserve, along with momentarily surprisingly Lawson was he not when Lawson's early season form and average dropped dramatically and Lawson was controversially dropped and then reinstated. Lyons didn't seem to maintain the progress he'd made by the end of the previous season but then halfway through the season, must've been the 1991 season, it started to come together for Lyons and he made a meteoric rise from about June, but in April/May he seemed to be going backwards rather than forwards - what the dissenting voices had overlooked was that in his debut season in 1990 he was going through fences etc and not gaining many points at all and his approx. 5.7 end of 1990 season average came from his improvement and bigger points in the latter part of that season, so if you had taken his 1991 May average and compared it with his 1990 May average he had actually improved but just not on his final 1990 average, and then from memory in 1991 season he averaged somewhere in the 7.5 - 8 points zone but the bulk of that improvement had come from the second half of the season i.e. first half of season around 5 point average so to finish up with an average of around 7.5 - 8 points overall average at the end of the 1991 season, in the second half of that season he must've been scoring more like a 9 point average and I well remember in the second half of the season him overtaking Neil Evitts who at the time was an ex-England international and had a near 10 point average in Div 2 in 1991 season, but you wouldn't have predicted that of Lyons based on his performances and low-ish average during the first half of the same season. Of course most riders aren't like Lyons though, whether its Sarjeant or any other rider. In the case of most riders Sarjeant included, if they are to go on an improvement curve it may well have a pattern of not much change in the first half of the season and rise during the second half of the season. We can but hope. A factor which may have influenced the Glasgow management was that Sarjeant has some previous affinity with Glasgow and on visits to Armadale he does seem to ride for the jersey and he is loathed by the Monarchs faithful. The other factor which may have influenced the Glasgow management to go with Sarjeant is that other 3 point options are maybe assessed average riders whereas in Sarjeant's case it was actual average and some thought he was 'sandbagging' last season at Worky and that he was on a false average and (maybe) he was worth at least a point more than that, and who knows maybe actually get a 5 point average and worth a punt - its guesswork to anticipate how riders averages will change and if it does end up a 5 point average then folk would be congratulating the Glasgow management and Worky faithful citing the aforementioned alleged 'sandbagging'. I guess only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) Irrespective of Team issues,there is definatly an issues with the hole in the track going into the 3rd bend with is causing the riders to straighten up if they hit with their back wheel the track does not seem to be binding together where the riders put the power on entering the bend and the hole appears after a couple of races,the leader has no trouble as he can pick his line and miss it,but riders challenging for position keep getting into trouble ,Noticed Worrell went back to look at it after he hit it hard in ht13.Pickering hit it and caused to straighten when challenging Starke on last bend in Ht14.It was obvious in the Redcar match too. Edited May 28, 2018 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Calling for riders and team manger to be sacked, Harris and his wife replying to comments where fans have had a go at his performance. Ah the joys of faceache just gets you into trouble most of the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, BigBoaby said: Not 'nit picking' just an observation of fact, it's hardly a whole season, we're only in May. Sarjeant. No I won't correct you as 'you aren't wrong' as they say, but any rider's starting average can vary up or down, it does seem to have gone up from his 3 point starting average to 4.20 average so far - ok for those wanting everything to be as instant as instant coffee then maybe not enough of an increase or soon enough but riders on a rising average tend to rise as the season goes on, I wouldn't for a minute suggest that Sarjeant is another Jason Lyons as he simply isn't, but I well remember his 'baptism of fire' first season and he got around 5.70 or 5.80 average, the next season about this stage in the season he was from memory either still around the same or less than that and I well remember a few dissenting voices among the Tigers faithful noting as much and saying he was still at reserve, along with momentarily surprisingly Lawson was he not when Lawson's early season form and average dropped dramatically and Lawson was controversially dropped and then reinstated. Lyons didn't seem to maintain the progress he'd made by the end of the previous season but then halfway through the season, must've been the 1991 season, it started to come together for Lyons and he made a meteoric rise from about June, but in April/May he seemed to be going backwards rather than forwards. Sarjeant started the season on 3.25 and for the new averages effective from 1 June he is 3.37. The only affinity he has is for retiring when stone last and touching the tapes when he's under pressure. Similarities with Jason Lyons early years are futile. Sarjeant is in his seventh season as a reserve without improvement, Lyons was a raw recruit who had a rapid improvement and went to the big league after less than 2 seasons with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 I'd have Bomber back at Panthers in s heartbeat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Irrespective of Team issues,there is definatly an issues with the hole in the track going into the 3rd bend with is causing the riders to straighten up if they hit with their back wheel the track does not seem to be binding together where the riders put the power on entering the bend and the hole appears after a couple of races,the leader has no trouble as he can pick his line and miss it,but riders challenging for position keep getting into trouble ,Noticed Worrell went back to look at it after he hit it hard in ht13.Pickering hit it and caused to straighten when challenging Starke on last bend in Ht14.It was obvious in the Redcar match too. There’s a hole also on bend on developing, caused both Pickering and Harris to come off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 16 hours ago, MD said: Indeed, didnt we dispense with George Stancl in June that year after a woeful run of EF's? No that was 2 or 3 years later when Stancl ended up at the other end of the M8 as punishment . No the 2004 side steamrollered through the Premier Trophy group before underperforming big time during the league campaign despite having Parker , Stancl , Grieves, Bentley, Jones ( his retirement triggered the demise ) and two duff reserves until Carrillo replaced Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, MD said: Sarjeant started the season on 3.25 and for the new averages effective from 1 June he is 3.37. The only affinity he has is for retiring when stone last and touching the tapes when he's under pressure. Similarities with Jason Lyons early years are futile. Sarjeant is in his seventh season as a reserve without improvement, Lyons was a raw recruit who had a rapid improvement and went to the big league after less than 2 seasons with us. You are taking only the GSA's which correct me if I'm wrong are on a long countback and take most of last season as well, whereas the stats for this season (so far) show that Sarjeant's average is 4.20 taking this season alone (so far). Yes it isn't a huge leap in average but at least it's in the right direction. If you read my post you will see that I in fact already said that Lyons isn't like most riders, what I did say though was that even the incredible Lyons had his detractors at this stage of the 1991 season, in fact many of the Glasgow faithful were disenchanted with the whole team's slow start to the season, but Glasgow went on to take the all-conquering Arena Essex that steamrollered most teams to a two leg home and away cup final replay, no other team did anything like that (level on aggregate over two legs) and Glasgow finished second only to Arena Essex in the league. What I did point out was that a rider on a rising average will tend to have a low-ish average in the first half of the season and improved figures by the end of the season. That tends to apply to most riders on a rising average, it may yet still apply to Sarjeant, we can but hope and only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 22 hours ago, stewmac said: For someone who was being touted as the best reserve in the league before the season started, Josh Pickering is failing massively. He needs to up his game and quickly. I can guarantee every team in the league would be happy to have him but luckily our promotion can see past his gating. If ever a kid gave 100% it’s Josh.... defo Mr entertainer yesterday when both incidents were caused by hitting holes in the track Now on to pulling off a huge surprise for the fans of both teams....... Yesterday made me very proud of our boys. Right attitude and attacked the track as was required. An unexpected beautiful Sunday Best wishes to Max 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidmango Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Gazc said: You could interpret things to suit your paticular mood and our mood was rock bottom yesterday and today to a lesser extent. To be fair the riders say team spirit is good so what is the issue then Kerr , Vissing & Thomas apart the rest have shown nothing in terms of consistency,, the biggest concern is there home form is actually worse than there away. Without doubt looking through the plooms of dust yesterday there is problems within this team form and attitude. I’d prefer not to interpret anything and just work based on facts. Either Richie refused to ride or he chose not to with the team in mind, it’s pretty straightforward really. We don’t know the situation and likely never will. If team morale was an issue I can’t see that having an impact on individual riders scores, team riding yes but not individual scores in a job where poor performance directly impacts your wages! Lewis has had one bad meeting, Claus has exceeded his average virtually every meeting as has Jack. Paul is clearly injured and Chris has had a number of bike issues both for Glasgow and Rye House. Tell me where the issues are other than more than one team member (not the same ones every week) having issues on the same day which cost us in our two home defeats?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Solidmango said: I’d prefer not to interpret anything and just work based on facts. Either Richie refused to ride or he chose not to with the team in mind, it’s pretty straightforward really. We don’t know the situation and likely never will. If team morale was an issue I can’t see that having an impact on individual riders scores, team riding yes but not individual scores in a job where poor performance directly impacts your wages! Lewis has had one bad meeting, Claus has exceeded his average virtually every meeting as has Jack. Paul is clearly injured and Chris has had a number of bike issues both for Glasgow and Rye House. Tell me where the issues are other than more than one team member (not the same ones every week) having issues on the same day which cost us in our two home defeats?! So everythings fine then, my point was how you feel based on your mood not anything to do with the team. Although they probably put you in a mood. The problem bar 3 is the inconsistency of the rest which clearly then means there are issues does it not. Edited May 28, 2018 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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