steve roberts Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Bryce said: Regarding surveying fans at meetings, I am almost certain that permission for such a thing would not be given at Lakeside. Jon Cook's attitude has always been that fans with an opinion are a pain in the behind. The club has been better than many at tweeting and updating the website, but hardly earth shatteringly impressive. These mediums are of course for telling us what they want us to know. They are not for us mere paying customers to express an opinion. The club did have a quite lively official fans forum, until Mr Cook got annoyed at the notion of it being used to criticize the club and closed it down. The bottom line is that the members of the BSPA do not want to hear from us the fans. Their attitude is we should be quiet and be grateful for whatever they serve up to us. ...during Steve and Vanessa Purchase's tenure at Cowley we were very fortunate in that they were very pro-fan orientated. In fact I was once invited to a pre-seaon discussion with Steve and a number of others due to my contributions on the old Oxford Speedway Forum ( which incidentally Steve Shovlar used to frequent spouting his usual rubbish even back then and was invariably told to p**s off by many of us!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 its about 3 metres from Middlesbrough! Had to call it Redcar tho. Sorry i find the idea of the pairs gimmicky Gimmicks are one of the things that have dragged us down. Its a sport, a team sport, and i would prefer that to be the focus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, ch958 said: its about 3 metres from Middlesbrough! Had to call it Redcar tho. Sorry i find the idea of the pairs gimmicky Gimmicks are one of the things that have dragged us down. Its a sport, a team sport, and i would prefer that to be the focus. Yes the Bears are Redcar because the track is on land owned by Redcar and Cleveland council, I was querying why Thornaby48 wrote Red car with a space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornaby48 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 hours ago, Skid Sprocket said: Certainly a new approach. Can I ask why you write Redcar with a space (Red car)? I am not up with modern technology so am at the mercy of the tablet, or what ever it's called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 4:08 AM, iris123 said: Well I saw they were packing out arenas with people watching others play video games and now a couple of days ago whilst going through the channels I caught a bit of the Drone Champions League,where people race drones through a course set out through bouncy castle type obstacles See there is a big meeting today to discuss the inclusion of esports(video games etc) in the Olympics!!!!!No wonder the Premier League had a summit last season to discuss the future competition for youngsters attention/participation from the So-called esports. Would Speedway be better concentrating on forming an esport speedway league?No noise,no emissions,no problem with weather or stadiums etc and could then possibly enter the Olympics and extend the interest around the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, iris123 said: See there is a big meeting today to discuss the inclusion of esports(video games etc) in the Olympics!!!!!No wonder the Premier League had a summit last season to discuss the future competition for youngsters attention/participation from the So-called esports. Would Speedway be better concentrating on forming an esport speedway league?No noise,no emissions,no problem with weather or stadiums etc and could then possibly enter the Olympics and extend the interest around the world YES! And please don't let it be under the control of BSPA / SCB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornaby48 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 hours ago, ch958 said: its about 3 metres from Middlesbrough! Had to call it Redcar tho. Sorry i find the idea of the pairs gimmicky Gimmicks are one of the things that have dragged us down. Its a sport, a team sport, and i would prefer that to be the focus. Yes I agree it is gimmicky but it is a one off meeting and if the gimmick caught the attention and curiosity of the locals bringing in first timers then it is worth it. All adverts have gimmicks and let's be honest after the Julie Lewis Memorial meeting K.K. was dubious about running the Silver Helmet meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, Thornaby48 said: Yes I agree it is gimmicky but it is a one off meeting and if the gimmick caught the attention and curiosity of the locals bringing in first timers then it is worth it. All adverts have gimmicks and let's be honest after the Julie Lewis Memorial meeting K.K. was dubious about running the Silver Helmet meeting. Looking at your thoughts again maybe you have a point and the Julie Lewis meeting might have been the meeting to test your theory but I think the Silver Helmet has too much history to be experimented with, The Silver Helmet would still go ahead if a meeting sponsor/sponsors can be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 7:37 AM, waytogo28 said: I think motivating supporters is an almost impossible task because we have had 20 years of total submission / acceptance of continuing to pay to see what the BSPA put on. Very few care enough to form some kind of Supporters Action Team because they realise that we have no power to put pressure on Promoters, collectively or individually. It is they who will decide on the destiny of the sport here and whether or not it reaches the Centenary in 2028. There will still be a few tracks racing amateur speedway matches and these will be staffed and organised by grassroots enthusiasts. Or, will speedway be just another lost sport... Is there no one with any motivation or has apathy taken over and a possible positive outcome been lost again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, waytogo28 said: YES! And please don't let it be under the control of BSPA / SCB. But on the plus side.... If your telly went 'pop', you wouldnt have to buy a new one, you could simply borrow any of your neighbours' TV's every time you wanted to play... (And they might have a better telly than you so you'd actually be better off)... But you could only play every third or fourth week obviously. (Oh! And only on a Monday or a Wednesday)... Edited July 20, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 somebody will be along shortly , to make the comparison between fottbal ,the cinema , eating out , or buying a bag of crisps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 I think that if speedway continues in any way, shape or form in 2025 it will be nothing like the present "business model". cityrebel summed it up when he said "At AtSwindon last night I handed over £20 inc prog, to stand in a dump of a stadium, to watch 15 processional races on a dust bowl of a track. It's not rocket science is it."- And I added that of the many, many thousands who have walked away over the last five years - would tell the same story of disillusionment. It rings true mostly for me. I know a proportion of elderly fans have passed away but not that many! The continuity of UK speedway is directly linked to the continuing decline of it. Until the promoters collectively realise that - if they haven't already - there is a possibility that there will be NO continuity at all. Instead of our 20 quids being wasted it's their many thousands of quids of investment being washed away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, adonis said: somebody will be along shortly , to make the comparison between fottbal ,the cinema , eating out , or buying a bag of crisps I can play a game of football, eat out at my local chippy and go and watch a film afterwards all for £6.19 Sorry it took so long Edited July 21, 2018 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, iainb said: I can play a game of football, eat out at my local chippy and go and watch a film afterwards all for £6.19 Sorry it took so long Gone with the wind? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, iainb said: I can play a game of football, eat out at my local chippy and go and watch a film afterwards all for £6.19 Sorry it took so long Ahhh yes but can you watch a game of Fottball . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, adonis said: Ahhh yes but can you watch a game of Fottball . ...not if I can help it! Getting thru' the World Cup was challenging enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, steve roberts said: ...not if I can help it! Getting thru' the World Cup was challenging enough! I'm going to have to whoosh you on this Steve , ........ Fottball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 Unfortunately speedway will have to find it's level and as it just doesn't command any interest amongst the population. My biggest issue is that it is boring, expensive and run on a weekday night. The question is who has the finances and leads a relatively sedentary life that enables them to go to a speedway meeting say on a Monday night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Pieman72 said: Unfortunately speedway will have to find it's level and as it just doesn't command any interest amongst the population. My biggest issue is that it is boring, expensive and run on a weekday night. The question is who has the finances and leads a relatively sedentary life that enables them to go to a speedway meeting say on a Monday night? I'd hazard a guess that there are millions of people who could afford to go to speedway and are sat at home doing nothing on a Monday night. The problem is British speedway does nothing to try and reach out to these people. Similarly, old people are minted and would likely enjoy the passé presentation found at most tracks, yet most clubs go out to schools and try to promote speedway to little kids. It makes no sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 hours ago, MattK said: Similarly, old people are minted and would likely enjoy the passé presentation found at most tracks, yet most clubs go out to schools and try to promote speedway to little kids. It makes no sense. Hey, come on MattK, not all "old" people are minted and I know of more than a dozen ( perhaps 20 ) who have walked away from watching speedway live in the stadium because it IS passe. And past it and old-fashioned and has failed. Failed full stop to engage with it's existing fan base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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