Big Al Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 14 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT a 20/20 match lasts three hours Fair cop but the trend everywhere you look is towards shorter formats, not just sports but in most things. In common with a sizeable percentage of speedway folk I am in my 7th decade and so 4-day cricket, endless tennis sets, FA cup replays etc etc are my sporting heritage. A 20/20 match does indeed last for three hours, but a county championship match lasts (sometimes!) for four days!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 7 hours ago, waytogo28 said: Sadly the 15 heats themselves are very rarely all "exciting" or have have points of interest in them. And those 15 heats are wrapped up in virtually nothing. If we cannot improve the thrills on track and there is no consensus on the importance of running crisper meetings, the sport has little to offer new fans of any age.It's presented in a very tired way in the UK. sometimes i wish the fourth lap wasn't happening - all 4 spread out over half a lap just stick the bleedin chequered flag out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry The Goat Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 20 hours ago, ch958 said: sometimes i wish the fourth lap wasn't happening - all 4 spread out over half a lap just stick the bleedin chequered flag out! And of course at some meetings you could stick the chequered flag out after ONE lap each race and get pretty much the same results as for four laps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry The Goat Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/23/2018 at 7:33 AM, waytogo28 said: If there is a future for speedway it needs to include live streaming ( an abysmal failure so far ) and not only for those who now prefer to stay at home but for those who want to watch it on a phone, tablet or whatever in the pub. I couldn't agree more. It's 2018. The technology is to hand. Most teams seem to be filming all their meetings anyway, with excellent quality visuals and often plenty of behind the scenes stuff, commentary, interviews etc. Look at the amount of interest in the proboards site, which simply offers live text updates of the score of a meeting - often several hundred or more people will be viewing (which can easily exceed the crowd size at the meeting itself). It's an untapped income stream. Yet no promoter seems interested. Astonishing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 To me its fairly obvious, there are 15 minutes of racing in speedway meeting, yet meetings tart at 7.30 and finish at around 9.15 on average, stadiums in general do not have full under cover stands, pa systems that are pizz poor, announcers/presenters that are ta best average in terms of geeing up the crowd and keeping everyone entertained. Fans and riders used to moan about Frank Ebdon but maybe just maybe he was ahead of his time in pushing meetings through, todays youngsters are the one's that will need to sell speedway to their youngsters going forward, nobody wants to stand out in the elements for nigh on two hours for 15 minutes of entertainment and lets be honest most races or even meetings may not be entertaining! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 2:40 PM, ch958 said: sometimes i wish the fourth lap wasn't happening - all 4 spread out over half a lap just stick the bleedin chequered flag out! It wasn't like that at belle vue on Monday morning. There was some tremendous racing to entertain the fans. Unfortunately the vast majority of the tracks are nothing like the NSS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 10:50 PM, topsoil said: Even cricket authorities are looking at shortening Twenty20 matches now to 100 ball innings. Not looked into the proposal but that's the bit I don't understand. 100 balls is 16.5 overs so not being shortened by much. Suspect there's more to it I don't know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Harry The Goat said: And of course at some meetings you could stick the chequered flag out after ONE lap each race and get pretty much the same results as for four laps! There's the future, 1 race lap and 4 laps of wheelies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 17 hours ago, Brian said: Not looked into the proposal but that's the bit I don't understand. 100 balls is 16.5 overs so not being shortened by much. Suspect there's more to it I don't know about. The BBC have rights to 10 men's and 8 women's matches but wanted them finished quicker to fit into their schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/30/2018 at 3:50 PM, cityrebel said: It wasn't like that at belle vue on Monday morning. There was some tremendous racing to entertain the fans. Unfortunately the vast majority of the tracks are nothing like the NSS. Unfortunately the odds on another speedway club getting the council to build them a purpose built speedway stadium and a track, the perfect size and shape for modern speedway bikes is none 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, New Science said: Unfortunately the odds on another speedway club getting the council to build them a purpose built speedway stadium and a track, the perfect size and shape for modern speedway bikes is none That's what many said about Belle Vue when it was first announced that they were negotiating with the council. If more promotions were prepared to do their homework, have the vision and come up with a good business case and then spend the many hours that David Gordon and Chris Morton did in countless meetings with the council and overcoming the many obstacles then who knows what might be achieved. I find it hard to believe that Manchester are the only council in the country that can be persuaded. We just need can do people with the necessary ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Look at what the BSPA have done with Redcar over the last week - disgusting, they are destroying speedway at every level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RedcarRacer said: Look at what the BSPA have done with Redcar over the last week - disgusting, they are destroying speedway at every level. Would you care to explain exactly what the BSPA have ‘done’ with Redcar? Edited June 1, 2018 by NeilWatson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 i think he means not letting us have who we want as guests - but rules are rules. Listen when Barker's fit and Jorgensen's in place we'll be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, NeilWatson said: Would you care to explain exactly what ‘the BSPA have done with Redcar’? At Newcastle - for starters - not allowing adequate replacements for the Anderson bros, who both made every effort to get to the meeting, but was beyond their control. Tonight, Thomas Jorgenson could not ride because of illness and seven day ban, forcing to use a NL rider - how is that good for the sport. Jorgenson had a genuine excuse for missing KL meeting, then why ban him if he might be fit? KL would have no issues, sometimes riders can have illnesses that rule them out for 24/48 hours, why ban them? The BSPA is a complete nonsense and not fit for purpose - try explaining to a new fan, why Redcar had to use Rob Shuttleworth - because the governing body would rather see under-par teams and below par meetings than applying common sense. The sport doesn't have to die in this country but the BSPA in its current guise does nothing for the sport other than continue to hamstring it at every turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, ch958 said: i think he means not letting us have who we want as guests - but rules are rules. Listen when Barker's fit and Jorgensen's in place we'll be ok. I dont want Barker back, sorry he has been injured but he has been nowhere near good enough and hopefully we will find a replacement in the coming weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, RedcarRacer said: I dont want Barker back, sorry he has been injured but he has been nowhere near good enough and hopefully we will find a replacement in the coming weeks. Are you ever happy about anything or anybody ? The rules you quote are in place to stop certain malpractices that riders have used in the past. These rules are introduced to make sure there was penalties if anybody tries in on and that the clubs will pursue everything to make sure the rider completes his obligation to the team. One I can think of was when a rider allegedly had a poor tummy cos of a dodgy burger, when most folks knew that that was a tryon and the rider missed a meeting completed only 11 meetings, and therefore got a final average about a point below that he should have. It is tough at some times, and clubs can be unlucky like in Redcar's situation , but things would be worse if they were to be abolished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RedcarRacer said: At Newcastle - for starters - not allowing adequate replacements for the Anderson bros, who both made every effort to get to the meeting, but was beyond their control. Tonight, Thomas Jorgenson could not ride because of illness and seven day ban, forcing to use a NL rider - how is that good for the sport. Jorgenson had a genuine excuse for missing KL meeting, then why ban him if he might be fit? KL would have no issues, sometimes riders can have illnesses that rule them out for 24/48 hours, why ban them? The BSPA is a complete nonsense and not fit for purpose - try explaining to a new fan, why Redcar had to use Rob Shuttleworth - because the governing body would rather see under-par teams and below par meetings than applying common sense. The sport doesn't have to die in this country but the BSPA in its current guise does nothing for the sport other than continue to hamstring it at every turn. Each of those decisions complies with the Rule Book (which incidentally is produced and implemented by the SCB not the BSPA). Whether you think the rules need amending is a different matter entirely. Its worth noting that the seven-day suspension for sickness/non-speedway injury is a new addition to the Rule Book this year. I see Tsunami posted while I was typing, he explains the reasoning behind the rules very clearly. Edited June 1, 2018 by NeilWatson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Each of those decisions complies with the Rule Book (which incidentally is produced and implemented by the SCB not the BSPA). Whether you think the rules need amending is a different matter entirely. Its worth noting that the seven-day suspension for sickness/non-speedway injury is a new addition to the Rule Book this year. I see Tsunami posted while I was typing, he explains the reasoning behind the rules very clearly. I never said or implied that the BSPA rule book was not applied correctly...no doubt it was, but the BSPA rule book is an ass, like the people who wrote it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Are you ever happy about anything or anybody ? The rules you quote are in place to stop certain malpractices that riders have used in the past. These rules are introduced to make sure there was penalties if anybody tries in on and that the clubs will pursue everything to make sure the rider completes his obligation to the team. One I can think of was when a rider allegedly had a poor tummy cos of a dodgy burger, when most folks knew that that was a tryon and the rider missed a meeting completed only 11 meetings, and therefore got a final average about a point below that he should have. It is tough at some times, and clubs can be unlucky like in Redcar's situation , but things would be worse if they were to be abolished. The fact you back the rules which produce meetings that could very well kill the sport just confirms what a deluded old chunt you are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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