Bunce Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 23 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Anyone but Schlein. No way this Aussie should be anywhere near the British final. Disgraceful taking a place of a British rider. what if he wins it? Gets the cardiff British wild card? Utterly wrong. Totally agree. He was born in Australia, and therefore he is Australian, not British! I don't care what licence he rides on, this should be a competition for British riders. So will he be in the running for a place in the GB team in future? On a National level he would ride for Team Australia, so what the hell is he doing at the British Final. (nothing personal you understand, just the principal of the thing!) Years ago we used to have Barry Briggs, Ivan Mauger and others riding with the Union Jack on their body colours, equally daft I thought. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 15 hours ago, DSC67 said: There's an article in this weeks SS about Andy Smith riding on a Polish license and competing in the Polish Final . . People may not like the fact Rory's in the final but it's happening and there's not much we can do about it apart from grumble on here It could easily be changed by the BSPA to be " the highest scoring British born rider, not currently in the GP". Perhaps Buster wants Rory to get to The Cardiff GP? Ha Ha - no possibility of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: It could easily be changed by the BSPA to be " the highest scoring British born rider, not currently in the GP". Perhaps Buster wants Rory to get to The Cardiff GP? Ha Ha - no possibility of that! Which would have ruled out Mark Loram in the past and Adam Ellis now. Edited June 11, 2018 by Grachan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 So if you are born almost anywhere you could ride in the British Final? So could Jason Doyle enter the qualifying rounds? He has lived here for years. Does Rory Schlein have British citizenship or not? Does anyone know? NOT merely riding on an ACU licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: So if you are born almost anywhere you could ride in the British Final? So could Jason Doyle enter the qualifying rounds? He has lived here for years. Does Rory Schlein have British citizenship or not? Does anyone know? NOT merely riding on an ACU licence. If Jason Doyle became a British Citizen (which he may do in the future as he has a British wife) then there's no reason he shouldn't ride as British. For me, if Rory Schlein is a British Citizen then I don't see why he shouldn't ride in the British Final, as long as it is the only national final he competes in. If it is jut down to licensing then I don't think he should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Schlein is about as British as my Citroen van, absolute joke, he gets in on a technicality, if the speedway gods are looking down he'll miss out on qualification tonight! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, diamond@heart said: Can you buy tickets at the event or do you have to get them online before hand. I remember buying them on the day last year, just wondered if it is the same this year? I am sure that you will be able to buy tickets at the stadium. I can't imagine it is going to be a still out but if you want to be absolutely sure telephone the stadium on 0161 711 0828 and choose option 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 I don't know if anyone else saw it. Some time ago now, Schlein (not the first time was slagging off the UK) But on this occasion, it was our NHS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jacques said: I don't know if anyone else saw it. Some time ago now, Schlein (not the first time was slagging off the UK) But on this occasion, it was our NHS! Ah, a hanging offence. I've never understood why the NHS is such a sacred cow. It is something of which we should be immensely proud but that shouldn't stop it being beyond criticism, or is it just that a foreigner isn't allowed to criticise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Aces51 said: Ah, a hanging offence. I've never understood why the NHS is such a sacred cow. It is something of which we should be immensely proud but that shouldn't stop it being beyond criticism, or is it just that a foreigner isn't allowed to criticise it. Pretty much! He was a visitor here at the time. It's not just the NHS if you read my post. The problem with that is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Grachan said: If Jason Doyle became a British Citizen (which he may do in the future as he has a British wife) then there's no reason he shouldn't ride as British. For me, if Rory Schlein is a British Citizen then I don't see why he shouldn't ride in the British Final, as long as it is the only national final he competes in. If it is jut down to licensing then I don't think he should. I agree with you completely. IF Rory Schlein IS a British citizen then he must be allowed to compete in qualifying rounds and finals. The question is, IS he now a British citizen or not? If it is just down to licensing then he should not be riding in it. Can someone tell us if Rory has taken out full British citizenship? Over to you Rory. Was Mark Loram British or Maltese? By the way Ove Fundin must be the best ever British rider because he too lived here for a long period of time. Ivan Mauger too I suppose, but I prefer Ove. Edited June 11, 2018 by waytogo28 Additional point made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Come on Rory... New Witches no 1 last week New British no 1 this 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jacques said: Pretty much! He was a visitor here at the time. It's not just the NHS if you read my post. The problem with that is? I don't see a problem with any criticism from any source providing it is justified. It should be how we learn and improve but of course, far too often, it is ignored. It's a bit like this childishness of calling people who have commented adversely on the tactics in the final of the SON Tai haters. That's what you expect in the playground. An adult response is to offer a reasoned reply explaining why they think the tactics were right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: Come on Rory... New Witches no 1 last week New British no 1 this nah its never going to happen is it, it would be a lovely fairytale ending but this is reality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Aces51 said: I don't see a problem with any criticism from any source providing it is justified. It should be how we learn and improve but of course, far too often, it is ignored. It's a bit like this childishness of calling people who have commented adversely on the tactics in the final of the SON Tai haters. That's what you expect in the playground. An adult response is to offer a reasoned reply explaining why they think the tactics were right. It's nothing like the Tai situation. Stop trying to pick stuff out of the air in a very poor attempt to make your point? It is not professional and it's insulting to the good people of the NHS, who we all know have saved his life on more than one occasion. The fact that he felt the need to slag off the UK/NHS on a social media, more than once proves his lack of intelligence. If as you say you want to offer a reasoned response to a complaint about your treatment, then you go through the correct channels. This sense of entitlement is endemic. If you think that behaviour is acceptable, then you are no better than Schlein himself! Edited June 11, 2018 by Jacques 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jacques said: It is not professional and it's insulting to the good people of the NHS, who we all know have saved his life on more than one occasion. The fact that he felt the need to slag off the UK/NHS on a social media, more than once proves his lack of intelligence. If as you say you want to offer a reasoned response to a complaint about your treatment, then you go through the correct channels. This sense of entitlement is endemic. If you think that behaviour is acceptable, then you are no better than Schlein himself! spot on Jacques, I wonder if he ever needs medical help again he'll go private?...my guess would be no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Odds On said: spot on Jacques, I wonder if he ever needs medical help again he'll go private?...my guess would be no. I've had a lot of experience as a patient within the NHS. Of course it's not perfect, but to slag it off when you didn't get you wanted is disgraceful. He is no more entitled to any more or less than any of us. I wonder how much he has contributed to how much he's taken out! Anyone with half a brain knows the NHS has it's limits. I've had to accept it more than once for scans, operations, treatments, so I paid privately to have it done. It's not like he's short of a bob or two! If you live in the UK, you know it's not treatment by demand. Put up or shut up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jacques said: It's nothing like the Tai situation. Stop trying to pick stuff out of the air in a very poor attempt to make your point? It is not professional and it's insulting to the good people of the NHS, who we all know have saved his life on more than one occasion. The fact that he felt the need to slag off the UK/NHS on a social media, more than once platform proves his lack of intelligence. If as you say you want to offer a reasoned response to a complaint about your treatment, then you go through the correct channels. This sense of entitlement is endemic. If you think that behaviour is acceptable, then you are no better than Schlein himself! You missed the point. I hope that I had explained in the simplest terms that a complaint has to be justified. Also, the comparison was not comparing the NHS with theTai situation as you call it. The comparison was between making a criticism which is justified by giving a full and proper explanation and those who respond to a criticism, in the example given about the tactics in the final of the SON, by simply calling people haters rather than justifying themselves by way of an explanation of why the criticism is wrong. I was not suggesting that both issues are equally important, merely that there are similarities and the example given was appropriate to this forum. It you consider that criticism should always first be addressed to the individual or body concerned I assume that in future you will be contacting the BSPA, the rider or the team you are criticising before giving your comments on here. What did Rory say when you told him before voicing your recent thoughts on here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Jacques said: I've had a lot of experience as a patient within the NHS. Of course it's not perfect, but to slag it off when you didn't get you wanted is disgraceful. He is no more entitled to any more or less than any of us. I wonder how much he has contributed to how much he's taken out! Anyone with half a brain knows the NHS has it's limits. I've had to accept it more than once for scans, operations, treatments, so I paid privately to have it done. It's not like he's short of a bob or two! If you live in the UK, you know it's not treatment by demand. Put up or shut up! Miserable git! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, Aces51 said: You missed the point. I hope that I had explained in the simplest terms that a complaint has to be justified. Also, the comparison was not comparing the NHS with theTai situation as you call it. The comparison was between making a criticism which is justified by giving a full and proper explanation and those who respond to a criticism, in the example given about the tactics in the final of the SON, by simply calling people haters rather than justifying themselves by way of an explanation of why the criticism is wrong. I was not suggesting that both issues are equally important, merely that there are similarities and the example given was appropriate to this forum. It you consider that criticism should always first be addressed to the individual or body concerned I assume that in future you will be contacting the BSPA, the rider or the team you are criticising before giving your comments on here. What did Rory say when you told him before voicing your recent thoughts on here? I think you need to get yourself an appt with a Doctor . Let's hope there is some money left in the coffers to pay for it after Rory has had all his treatment funded ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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