Bagpuss Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 There must have been a reason for Kerr not getting heat 14. Agree about being too nice, which is why it's good to read that Lambert was forceful in heats 13 & 15. When will new averages come out putting Kerr into the top five? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 Can’t believe anyone would think Garrity would do that on purpose, it was a nasty crash, Garrity and Andersen locked together going into first bend and Garrity went down very heavily head first and was clearly knocked out for few seconds as lay motionless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, g13webb said: I apologise if I seem callous, but being able to replace him with Tungate and Bewley strengthened Belle Vue's corner considerably . I think is better to describe us as a bit less weakened as Garrity was only there in the first place as a replacement for our injured skipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Rob B said: Can’t believe anyone would think Garrity would do that on purpose, it was a nasty crash, Garrity and Andersen locked together going into first bend and Garrity went down very heavily head first and was clearly knocked out for few seconds as lay motionless. I'm not suggesting it as I wasn't there. All I was saying is I'd not be surprised if it happened as gaining advantage where possible is part and parcel of sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: There must have been a reason for Kerr not getting heat 14. Agree about being too nice, which is why it's good to read that Lambert was forceful in heats 13 & 15. When will new averages come out putting Kerr into the top five? Averages come in on the 1st of every month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Averages come in on the 1st of every month The rule book says cut off date is the 23rd and new averages come in 7 days later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 58 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: The rule book says cut off date is the 23rd and new averages come in 7 days later 16.2.1.4 Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a rolling basis on all eligible meetings, up to and including 23rd of the month to become effective from the 1st of the following month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: I'm with you now. We have tried everyone now so might aswell give Josh a go. All though I've heard a temp signing is on the way and it's not auty unfortunately Steady Phil dont get to excited once will do,but Lemo wont give Auty a chance while that little rubbish Tungate is in the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: 16.2.1.4 Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a rolling basis on all eligible meetings, up to and including 23rd of the month to become effective from the 1st of the following month. Sorry I was convinced that I Had read that it came in 7 days later.... memory failure !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 WITH all four GP qualifying rounds being held the same weekend, but only one on a Monday, anyone with any intelligence (pigs might fly) would have ensured that Belle Vue's two top riders weren't in the Abensberg meeting and could have been at the NSS fort the match against KL instead. And please don't tell me that it is an open draw... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Let's see which style of team wins the league this year. Gamesmanship or Fair Play?? Please don't let it be like this ( although I fear that it is ) sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: Sorry I was convinced that I Had read that it came in 7 days later.... memory failure !!!! You did see it but it's for assessed rider's averages 16.2.1.6 A SGB Premiership or Championship assessed League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Please don't let it be like this ( although I fear that it is ) sadly. It's always been this way and that's sport in general. King's Lynn have tried something different with their fitness camps, pre-meeting training and are a nice team. Let's wait and see if all the stuff in the background can deliver over teams who love to manipulate and bend rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Any suggestion that Garrity fell on purpose so that IRR could be used is ridiculous. If any team were intending to cheat in that way a rider wouldn't risk colliding with another rider during the charge to the first bend. Far easier and much less risky to slide off when at the back and claim back pain or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: WITH all four GP qualifying rounds being held the same weekend, but only one on a Monday, anyone with any intelligence (pigs might fly) would have ensured that Belle Vue's two top riders weren't in the Abensberg meeting and could have been at the NSS fort the match against KL instead. And please don't tell me that it is an open draw... If it was just left to chance the cards probably wouldn’t have fallen the way they did. It almost feels planned. The FIM didn’t have any contact with Belle Vue nor would you expect them to. Their only contact in the UK would have been with the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 HOW hard would that have been ... no other country races on a Monday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: HOW hard would that have been ... no other country races on a Monday. Yep how hard would it be.Its this sort of thing( which with a bit of thought and planing could be avoided )that really Ps fans off.Not saying we would have defo won but we would have stood a better chance with Cook and Fricke there.These lost 3 points at the end of the season with this year being a close fought league could be the difference in making the play offs or not.My blood boils at the thought of it. All most fans want is to watch their own riders ride for their team win of loose then the result is down to your own team, and for there to be a level playing field for all and with a bit of forethought and planning this could happen far more often than it does. Just give us our own team to watch and value for money is it really to much to ask. PS just checked i see that none of the G P qualifiers were arranged on a Sunday to clash with the Polish leagues so a bit of forethought and planning did happen.Do the BSPA just sit back and do nothing rather than ask the FIM if they could look at who is and is not riding Monday and fit these riders in another round. PPS Look i just did it mondays missing riders swap rounds for riders not riding for their own team that day Kurtz for Cook,J Holder for fricke,Sundstrom for Andersen and Wells for Howarth just using riders who ride in Britain no one missing for their own club let alone swaping anyone else who rode in any of the qualifiers as none of them rode on Monday Edited May 23, 2018 by B.V 72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, B.V 72 said: All most fans want is to watch their own riders ride for their team win of loose then the result is down to your own team, and for there to be a level playing field for all and with a bit of forethought and planning this could happen far more often than it does. Oh Yes, that is what most fans want. Certainly me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 It's the attitude of the BSPA which annoys me most.That fans will accept a team of 3 guests and still turn up.Yes I went on Monday as usual but I never thought I was watching a proper Belle Vue team.It could easily have been avoided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, colin wood said: It's the attitude of the BSPA which annoys me most.That fans will accept a team of 3 guests and still turn up.Yes I went on Monday as usual but I never thought I was watching a proper Belle Vue team.It could easily have been avoided. I didn't go on Monday, as it wouldn't have mattered to me whether the 'Aces Select' won or lost... Win = "Hollow victory as it wasnt really Belle Vue"... Draw/Lose = "Not bothered as it wasnt really Belle Vue that drew/lost"... The same would have been true if KL has turned up at the NSS with such a nonsense team... Win = "Hollow victory as it wasnt really Kings Lynn"... Draw/Lose = "Not bothered as it wasn't really Kings Lynn who drew with/beat us".. And if the outcome of a match has absolutely no bearing on you as a fan of any sport, then you simply have no emotional attachment to it and your 'hard earned' stays firmly in your pocket.. And team sports 100% rely on this emotional attachment to prosper.. Or even maybe to just survive... Some on here are now of the position that they are content to just watch ANY fourteen riders per meeting, four riders per race etc etc and the racing is the most important thing rather than any actual meeting credibility and integrity... To a large extent I can understand this, as many times over the past ten years or so, nothing more than random septets have been what we have had served up with great regularity, however I would suggest that this view will be shared by, in the main, the die hards who love their Speedway, (any Speedway).. And sadly, they are becoming an ever decreasing number.. Let's be honest, when you attend an event for a National Championship in a professional sport, you shouldn't have to collude with those running that sport in pretending that it is a bona fide competition and has credibility and integrity... And any sport using this as the fundamental basis of it's operating model and business plan could find it a 'modicum' difficult to be successful... Edited May 23, 2018 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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