lucifer sam Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Grachan said: The sad thing is, some supporters of Second Division teams will merely see that as a victory for their own league. Don't be daft. You've got this dangerous 'us' and 'them' mentality when it comes to the two leagues. It's about both leagues working together. And also about neither thinking they're more important than the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) You're right that they should work together but it is a fact of life that the top league in any sport has to be the most important. It is the PL that features on TV and has a higher profile and therefore should be the league where every every effort is made to make it successful. That in the end is to the benefit of speedway as a whole. However, that doesn't mean neglecting the other leagues nor does it mean doing things which have a serious detrimental affect on those leagues. Every effort should be made to work together and certainly not to have a situation, as we have currently, where the CL is making decisions which are causing harm to the PL. Edited May 18, 2018 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: Don't be daft. You've got this dangerous 'us' and 'them' mentality when it comes to the two leagues. It's about both leagues working together. And also about neither thinking they're more important than the other one. No I haven't. I'm merely arguing against those who have. It is usually second division supporters on here who come up with a confrontational attitude between the two leagues, and it is always second division supporters who then accuse supporters of teams in the top flight of having a "them and us" attitude when they try to counteract it. From what I see, it is ALWAYS the opposite, and your posts are a typical example of that. Personally I think you'd quite happily see the first division fail, Rob, just because Swindon are in it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Grachan said: Personally I think you'd quite happily see the first division fail, Rob, just because Swindon are in it. Oh, for goodness sake, take that chip off your shoulder. I've seen my club die. I hope one day it is resurrected, but in the meantime, if you think I want Swindon to fail, then you're on a different planet. I don't to see any club close. Doubling-up is here at the moment, and sadly it isn't going away anytime time soon. While it's here, then there is a necessity for the two leagues to have different race-nights, and for the clubs to honour any agreement regarding those nights. Monday and Wednesday nights have not done Wolves or Poole any harm. They are perfectly acceptable nights for speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: Oh, for goodness sake, take that chip off your shoulder. I've seen my club die. I hope one day it is resurrected, but in the meantime, if you think I want Swindon to fail, then you're on a different planet. I don't to see any club close. Doubling-up is here at the moment, and sadly it isn't going away anytime time soon. While it's here, then there is a necessity for the two leagues to have different race-nights, and for the clubs to honour any agreement regarding those nights. Monday and Wednesday nights have not done Wolves or Poole any harm. They are perfectly acceptable nights for speedway. Glad to hear that. I do wonder sometimes. Look at the King's Lynn threads if you think Wednesdays are working for the top flight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, lucifer sam said: Nice try, but there's far more many riders of second division standard doubling-up than those of first division standard. Almost every second string and reserve in the top-flight is a second division standard rider. Add in some second and third heat-leaders as well. If the top-flight want first call, then it's about time they put out genuine top-flight teams. If not, then the two leagues need to avoid racing on the same night. And with three teams to one, it's clear Thursday has to be a Championship night. It's an agreed night, and needs to be stuck to. Swindon either need to run on Mondays and Wednesdays next year, or otherwise down drop to the Championship and race on Thursdays. Nice Try Robert, However, I suspect you know full well that Blunsdon isnt available on Wednesdays, hence why Swindon have been allowed to run 50% on Mondays and 50% on Thursdays this season... You will also be fully aware that the original agreement was for the Premiership to run on Mondays and Thursdays...Depending on which story you believe, Mondays and Thursdays were quashed by either the former hair dressing products salesman on the south coast, or both Ipswich and Sheffield, with a further sub plot involving Sheffield, in that the Bates family were considering swapping leagues for Leicester and Sheffield, which, if it had happened, meant the Bates family actually wanted Mondays and Thursdays for the Premiership, so Sheffield wouldnt have to switch nights... Of course, with Oxford hopefully coming back in the not too distant future, you would be very glad to see Swindon in the Championship, as it would give the Cheetahs a local derby. Thats assuming of course that Oxford return in the Championship, otherwise your nearest "derby" would be whom, Peterborough ? However, I do wonder, should Oxford return in the Premiership, whether "the arrogance of a top flight fan" would prefer Swindon to remain in the Premiership, otherwise your "derby" would be Wolves.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Grachan said: No I haven't. I'm merely arguing against those who have. It is usually second division supporters on here who come up with a confrontational attitude between the two leagues, and it is always second division supporters who then accuse supporters of teams in the top flight of having a "them and us" attitude when they try to counteract it. From what I see, it is ALWAYS the opposite, and your posts are a typical example of that. Personally I think you'd quite happily see the first division fail, Rob, just because Swindon are in it. +1 Pretty much spot on, we all know Rob's thoughts on Swindon, though of course he denies it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 hours ago, waytogo28 said: Even with a lot of shooting practice over the last 20 years or so their aim remains very poor. Dale Allitt at King's Lynn said this week we wanted Mondays & Thursdays for the Premier League but got Mon. & Weds and " have to make the best of it". We have heard that kind of comment numerous times over the years from BSPA and then they change something else for the next season and get that wrong! He is the Team Manager of a team with 3 or 4 Danes in it, who will be missing for 40% of the team fixtures ( inc. their No. 1 ) And they won't or daren't run on Mondays. If Swindon were allowed to continue on some Thursdays why not others? Yes, double up clashes raise their heads again. Stars V Leics had six guests or r/r in it. Not quite true, we have 4 home fixtures on the Monday to test the water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 This whole thing can be rectified very easily in 2019. The Premiership runs on Monday & Thursday. Redcar, Ipswich and Sheffield can also keep their Thursday night but in doing so they lose the priority of rider's signed to Premiership clubs where a fixture takes place on a Thursday. Sorted 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: This whole thing can be rectified very easily in 2019. The Premiership runs on Monday & Thursday. Redcar, Ipswich and Sheffield can also keep their Thursday night but in doing so they lose the priority of rider's signed to Premiership clubs where a fixture takes place on a Thursday. Sorted You forgot to mention that whoever the above CL clubs are riding against on the thurs would also have to find replacements for any d/u riders with a PL team. No problem with that but would all the CL clubs accept that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: You forgot to mention that whoever the above CL clubs are riding against on the thurs would also have to find replacements for any d/u riders with a PL team. No problem with that but would all the CL clubs accept that. That too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 56 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: This whole thing can be rectified very easily in 2019. The Premiership runs on Monday & Thursday. Redcar, Ipswich and Sheffield can also keep their Thursday night but in doing so they lose the priority of rider's signed to Premiership clubs where a fixture takes place on a Thursday. Sorted The whole thing can be rectified very easily in 2019 ONE BRITISH LEAGUE RUNNING ON NIGHTS THE TRACKS PREFER TO OPERATE 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Midland Red said: The whole thing can be rectified very easily in 2019 ONE BRITISH LEAGUE RUNNING ON NIGHTS THE TRACKS PREFER TO OPERATE That would place British Speedway into an even bigger shambles imo as the best of British fly out to Poland for treble the dough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: That would place British Speedway into an even bigger shambles imo as the best of British fly out to Poland for treble the dough. How many vacancies do they have out there then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Grachan said: Those 3 PL team were quite happy to stuff the PL to suit the CL. So how has nothing changed? The problem is the second division seeing itself as some sort of opposition. Why vote for a night when they know the first division will be against Denmark and some team (not including Swindon, by the way) will lose riders? Because they don't run in the first division and would have problems swapping nights, and lose money by doing so, do you expect turkeys to vote for Christmas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Is there any possibility of entering into negotiations with the Swedes and the Danes to ask them to change their race nights to Monday and Thursday, giving Britain protected Tuesday and Wednesday? I don't know whether Tuesday and Wednesday are sacrosanct in Seden and Denmark. I recognise that people will say why should they change but a programme of Poland on Sunday, Sweden on Monday, Britain on Tuesday and Wednesday and Denmark on Thursday would probably make for less travelling for riders and might enable them to perform better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chadster said: Is there any possibility of entering into negotiations with the Swedes and the Danes to ask them to change their race nights to Monday and Thursday, giving Britain protected Tuesday and Wednesday? I don't know whether Tuesday and Wednesday are sacrosanct in Seden and Denmark. I recognise that people will say why should they change but a programme of Poland on Sunday, Sweden on Monday, Britain on Tuesday and Wednesday and Denmark on Thursday would probably make for less travelling for riders and might enable them to perform better. Doubt they will move nights.Anyway,Sweden on Tuesday and then Denmark on Wednesday obviously cuts down on travel....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, iris123 said: Doubt they will move nights.Anyway,Sweden on Tuesday and then Denmark on Wednesday obviously cuts down on travel....... Coupled with the fact that 75% of the Swedish league use Polish bikes and mechanics and with ferries etc would struggle to get there for Monday`s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, racers and royals said: Coupled with the fact that 75% of the Swedish league use Polish bikes and mechanics and with ferries etc would struggle to get there for Monday`s. Plus I always thought if a team needed a last minute replacement ,those riders in Sweden were often willing to make a small detour to Denmark.It works and I can't see them willing t give up those nights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Apart from the other considerations Tuesday and Wednesday are the traditional race nights in Sweden and Denmark whereas in the UK they are probably the least attractive and commercially viable nights of the week, with the exception of those very few teams that traditionally race on a Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.