Danny Connor Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Stick with it. And in time if the product is right then people will get used to Monday’s and wednesdays. As for the Denmark thing. It’s much easier to say to somebody that a danish rider is required to ride in his home country than it is to explain that a 2nd tier team has 1st choice over a rider. This isn’t as broke as people are making out. It’s just speedway is poorly marketed. Look at the son for example. While we are all going crazy on the edge of our seats nobody knows we even exist. That’s why we have poor attendances because nobody knows, and those that do see 18 pounds per adult and that’s a sum of money you have to consider before spending. If this fixed race night thing and new branding of the league thing was done right then the right people would be spoken to to get news paper inches. Goes for this national side too. While there are loads of positives I don’t see any awareness in terms of the outside world. If there was then Bellevue’s gates would double after witnessing the last few tv meetings there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 It doesn't matter what you do or how good the product is you simply won't get the crowd on a Monday that you would on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. People have a limited amount of money to spend on sport, entertainment or leisure activities and most of it is spent at the weekend. It's common sense that people are more likely to go out when they have no work or school for their children the next day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 How ironic two clubs that have spent big money but both are having poor attendances recently .......Belle vue and Glasgow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, Aces51 said: It doesn't matter what you do or how good the product is you simply won't get the crowd on a Monday that you would on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. People have a limited amount of money to spend on sport, entertainment or leisure activities and most of it is spent at the weekend. It's common sense that people are more likely to go out when they have no work or school for their children the next day. And the simple fact is that Britain is not getting priority on Friday, Saturday and Sunday back any time soon, so unless you want to go without the riders involved in Polish leagues and FIM events, you can't race on those days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I think the fixed race night requires at least another season before we throw in the towel. Maybe add in an extra day? Monday, Thursday and Friday. Each club has to run a minimum of 4 fixtures on each of those days so it give every club the opportunity to figure out what is the best night for racing in 2020. Would this also work from 2019? All teams in the Premiership have to be assembled by 1st March. After then, all Premiership clubs have to sign 3 National League riders as squad members. If 1 team member is missing an NL rider comes in at reserve and the other rider's move up a position. If 2 rider's are missing a guest is allowed for the highest average rider and NL squad member. If 3 rider's are missing, a guest is allowed for the highest average rider and 2 NL squad member etc etc. The only way to avoid using NL rider's is to redeclared with a new rider for injured or sack team members. It may be totally nonsensical, I don't know. Certainly would hand an advantage to clubs running NL side's. I just feel it would be better to run meetings with 7 rider's and without R/R as it can drag meetings out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertsRacer Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Aces51 said: It doesn't matter what you do or how good the product is you simply won't get the crowd on a Monday that you would on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. People have a limited amount of money to spend on sport, entertainment or leisure activities and most of it is spent at the weekend. It's common sense that people are more likely to go out when they have no work or school for their children the next day. Its an odd one. In the late 60's I was a regular at Reading who ran on a Monday. They averaged 6000+ in those days. Also went to Romford on Thursdays who averaged about 5000. Not much difference, people worked the next day and kids went to school. Today I can walk down our High Street Mondays to Thursdays evenings and all the pubs and restaurants are empty, and the place is like a ghost town. I don't think its just about money as our town is fairly affluent, it seems that people just don't want to go out midweek these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, HertsRacer said: Its an odd one. In the late 60's I was a regular at Reading who ran on a Monday. They averaged 6000+ in those days. Also went to Romford on Thursdays who averaged about 5000. Not much difference, people worked the next day and kids went to school. Today I can walk down our High Street Mondays to Thursdays evenings and all the pubs and restaurants are empty, and the place is like a ghost town. I don't think its just about money as our town is fairly affluent, it seems that people just don't want to go out midweek these days. And have fallen out of love with motorcycle racing and see no reason to patronise delapadated arenas (BV excepted) Inf: more than 30 million people play computer games. Edited June 17, 2018 by GWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, HertsRacer said: Its an odd one. In the late 60's I was a regular at Reading who ran on a Monday. They averaged 6000+ in those days. Also went to Romford on Thursdays who averaged about 5000. Not much difference, people worked the next day and kids went to school. Today I can walk down our High Street Mondays to Thursdays evenings and all the pubs and restaurants are empty, and the place is like a ghost town. I don't think its just about money as our town is fairly affluent, it seems that people just don't want to go out midweek these days. I have to agree. When I was a kid I regularly went to west ham and white city on a school night. The majority of the nation are turning into couch potatoes. I blame the digital age! Edited June 17, 2018 by cityrebel Mistake in post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, cityrebel said: I have to agree. When I was a kid I regularly went to west ham and white city on a school night. The majority of the nation are turning into couch potatoes. I blame the digital age! But they will go watch their fav footy team!! Tch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Football is a religion to most fans, they would turn up if kick off was at 3am in the morning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 10 hours ago, HenryW said: And the simple fact is that Britain is not getting priority on Friday, Saturday and Sunday back any time soon, so unless you want to go without the riders involved in Polish leagues and FIM events, you can't race on those days... The reality check is that if we hope for speedway to survive in the UK in a league racing structure , we have no option except to go that way. Do without riders involved in the Polish leagues ( whoever they are ) and hard sell weekend racing all over the country. That is the only idea that will work, as the first step to building up crowds and interest in the sport. The world has moved on and speedway has not, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 4:09 PM, mikebv said: Spot on. .. And some will say "we have had guests for donkeys years"... And indeed we have, however... The days of turning up at a track, without any prior knowledge, and being peed off to find out PC wasn't there and that another teams' best rider replaced him have long, long gone... Sweden and Poland run fixed nights and don't use guests.... Their Championships therefore have credibility... We run the same system and still have guests... Meaning our Championships don't have credibilty.. It's interesting we didn't use one fixed night like Sweden. So as, I presume, to facilitate the use of guests... And then our version of 'two fixed nights' is actually three, and that all fixtures are arranged, it would appear, to again, facilitate guest replacements, unlike Poland, who with their three nights still don't use guests.. What you got away with in years gone by, doesn't mean in this age of 'instant news' you can still get away with it today... When we found out PC wasn't there after we had paid our hard earned to get in, we often moaned to each other, but it was to the 10 or so people around you.... Nowadays you know BV are missing riders days in advance and instead of moaning to ten people, literally thousands on various forums get to read it... And then make their decision to attend the fixture... With many, 100% understandably, deciding against it.. If you don't run any Sport with credibility and integrity, you simply cannot complain when you struggle to generate decent crowds every week. And when you add on that winning that Sports Championship's mean very little (by the very way they are won), and you have real problems I would suggest.. Some very good points made and the best one If you don’t run any sport with credibility and intergrity, you simply cannot complain when you struggle to generate decent crowds every week. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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