IainB Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Beowulf said: You are incorrect, Ladbrokes who own the stadium, decided to close the home straight, nothing to do with lack of speedway numbers. In 1996 when Wolves reached the KO Cup final we had to race the 'home' leg of the final at Long Eaton while alterations to the greyhound track were going on. Not exactly ideal eh ? But renting a track, you are totally in the hands of the landlord. Ok, but surely you take my point that even the crowds have dropped off alarmingly at wolves over the years. Agree that they're in the hands of the landlords, as are many others, I was just suggesting that if anybody said Mondays work at wolves nobody knows because we don't know how many they'd get on any other day of the week because they've always run on Mondays (due to the landlords) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, iainb said: Ok, but surely you take my point that even the crowds have dropped off alarmingly at wolves over the years. Agree that they're in the hands of the landlords, as are many others, I was just suggesting that if anybody said Mondays work at wolves nobody knows because we don't know how many they'd get on any other day of the week because they've always run on Mondays (due to the landlords) When I started taking an interest in speedway Wolves ran on Fridays. When did they change to Mondays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 or 2 NL riders in each team - maybe more, maybe 6 man teams. There wasn't going to be enough riders for BL2 back in the day - within 3 years they were breeding world class talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 Really odd this ..Wolves have done really well over years while running on a Monday other clubs has gone bust or lost loads of money like Eastie who ran on a weekend . But now because Belle Vue don't like running on Mondays somehow running on a Monday is now a massive problem for Wolves ? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Speedway has a sense of anticipation and occasion when it's staged at the weekend. Mondays and Tuesdays are the most anti-climatic days of the week coming straight after the weekend and are the worst possible days to run speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Speedway has a sense of anticipation and occasion when it's staged at the weekend. Mondays and Tuesdays are the most anti-climatic days of the week coming straight after the weekend and are the worst possible days to run speedway. Disagree. For those that work for someone, Sundays can be a day of dread knowing they have to bow to their boss in the morning. Monday speedway gives something to look forward to. Tuesdays in Sweden seems to work ok. Poole on a Wednesday is fine. Promotions just need to promote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 5/19/2018 at 5:52 PM, Steve Shovlar said: Poole v Redcar. That’ll pull them in! On 5/19/2018 at 6:30 PM, Steve Shovlar said: One big league is nonesense. Fans will not come for Poole v Redcar or Berwick. How is that going to pack out stadiums? Clubs like Sheffield and Ipswich should be in the top flight and they way they acted when the premership wanted Mondays and Thursdays was frankly disgraceful. On 5/19/2018 at 6:41 PM, Steve Shovlar said: Good god no. Don’t want anything other than 7 man teams. 5 man teams to repetitive. 29 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Disagree. For those that work for someone, Sundays can be a day of dread knowing they have to bow to their boss in the morning. Monday speedway gives something to look forward to. Tuesdays in Sweden seems to work ok. Poole on a Wednesday is fine. Promotions just need to promote. Cant really believe what you write most of the time...................no wait yes i can! I hope your happy in your world of 4 teams in a league, 7 riders and Poole winning it. Maybe one day you may look at the bigger picture but i doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 16 hours ago, orion said: Really odd this ..Wolves have done really well over years while running on a Monday other clubs has gone bust or lost loads of money like Eastie who ran on a weekend . But now because Belle Vue don't like running on Mondays somehow running on a Monday is now a massive problem for Wolves ? Your right everything has to suit Belle Vue and their new stadium . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Monday nights were never a problem for Wimbledon when Ronnie Moore was racing! As a kid going to school, I never had a problem with enjoying the racing and doing my school work so I have never understood why the kids of today can't go racing during the week. When I was working I went to lots of Speedway and Stock Cars during the week and still was able to do my job the next day. I am now a pensioner but always busy on weekends so I am very pleased the Premiership races on Monday and Wednesday. I think that two equal leagues running in the North and South would be a good idea with the top teams going into the Play offs at the end of the season. We currently have 19 teams in the top two divisions so 10 in one and 9 in the other would seem a good idea. Top three in each league go into the Play off and the rest go into a Trophy competition which with 13 teams should be split into four groups of 3/3/3/4 and the top team in each group goes forward to Semi Finals run over two legs with the winners going to the final which is also run over two legs. I do not believe the fans who currently stay away will return as they will always find a reason to dislike the way the sport is being run. I am not keen on the way the BSPA does some things but still enjoy watching four riders of similar ability over four laps and so go as often as I can. To my mind staying away only makes it less likely that things will improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Your right everything has to suit Belle Vue and their new stadium . Yep the three figure crowds at Wolves are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 18/05/2018 at 11:17 AM, lucifer sam said: Don't be daft. You've got this dangerous 'us' and 'them' mentality when it comes to the two leagues. It's about both leagues working together. And also about neither thinking they're more important than the other one. That's where you're wrong though - the Premiership is MORE important as it's the top division in this Country. You wouldn't anybody in their right mind say the Championship is more important than the Premiership in football! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Your right everything has to suit Belle Vue and their new stadium . You might want to ask yourself why only Wolves had a Monday race night when teams we free to choose. You might want to ask yourself why the entertainment industry regards Monday as the worst night of the week to get people to attend. You might want to ask yourself why crowds dropped at the dog track when we had to move from Friday to Monday. You might want to consider that attitudes to keeping children out late on school nights has changed since clubs like Wimbledon were operating. You might want to ask yourself why our previous promotion said there was no future for the Aces unless we could build a new stadium and change our race night to Friday You might want to ask yourself why crowds have dropped so significantly at the NSS this year when the only change is the race night. You might want to ask yourself if you want to put at risk the future of the NSS. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Your right everything has to suit Belle Vue and their new stadium . We only want to race on our chosen race night like, er Wolves. Poole also have their chosen race night and KL did Wednesday before while Swindon have the majority of their meetings when they want them. As soon as we want the same it’s us being awkward. LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Enough kids roaming the streets in packs at night, say until 11pm ish, so don't get the snowflakes have to be home every night doing homework, then bed for 10pm!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Aces51 said: You might want to ask yourself why only Wolves had a Monday race night when teams we free to choose. You might want to ask yourself why the entertainment industry regards Monday as the worst night of the week to get people to attend. You might want to ask yourself why crowds dropped at the dog track when we had to move from Friday to Monday. You might want to consider that attitudes to keeping children out late on school nights has changed since clubs like Wimbledon were operating. You might want to ask yourself why our previous promotion said there was no future for the Aces unless we could build a new stadium and change our race night to Friday You might want to ask yourself why crowds have dropped so significantly at the NSS this year when the only change is the race night. You might want to ask yourself if you want to put at risk the future of the NSS. Easy drop down to the championship were you can ride any night you choose and have the largest crowds in that league. That would keep a certain few like flange happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Aces51 said: You might want to ask yourself why only Wolves had a Monday race night when teams we free to choose. You might want to ask yourself why the entertainment industry regards Monday as the worst night of the week to get people to attend. You might want to ask yourself why crowds dropped at the dog track when we had to move from Friday to Monday. You might want to consider that attitudes to keeping children out late on school nights has changed since clubs like Wimbledon were operating. You might want to ask yourself why our previous promotion said there was no future for the Aces unless we could build a new stadium and change our race night to Friday You might want to ask yourself why crowds have dropped so significantly at the NSS this year when the only change is the race night. You might want to ask yourself if you want to put at risk the future of the NSS. Ah, love Talking Heads ..... not quite sure you’ve nailed the lyrics though! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Rob B said: Yep the three figure crowds at Wolves are great. Yet again after years of ok on Mondays why it somehow a problem now ..really odd mind set from Belle vue fans .its not working on a Monday for them so now wolves poor crowds after about 33 years are now because of Mondays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy swindon pete Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Most places can get good crowds in on a Monday with a bit of promotion and ticket offer of some sorts. Seen plenty of big crowds at Swindon on a Monday over the years, Wolves have always run on a Monday. So it’s clearly not a case of people just simply not wanting to go out somewhere on a Monday evening. The people are out there, they just need enticing in. I don’t get what goes on in Manchester on a Monday night that keeps everyone away?! To be honest I think there’s too much to compete with most weekends these days, in amongst other sports, shopping, household jobs and socialising. Week days might not get much travelling support but it should be fine for a majority of local supporters, which really is the bread and butter of any club. As orion says, if it was cut and dry case of weekend matches and semi pro riders pulling the fans in each week, National League crowds should be heaving. They simply aren’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Speedy swindon pete said: Most places can get good crowds in on a Monday with a bit of promotion and ticket offer of some sorts. Seen plenty of big crowds at Swindon on a Monday over the years, Wolves have always run on a Monday. So it’s clearly not a case of people just simply not wanting to go out somewhere on a Monday evening. The people are out there, they just need enticing in. I don’t get what goes on in Manchester on a Monday night that keeps everyone away?! To be honest I think there’s too much to compete with most weekends these days, in amongst other sports, shopping, household jobs and socialising. Week days might not get much travelling support but it should be fine for a majority of local supporters, which really is the bread and butter of any club. As orion says, if it was cut and dry case of weekend matches and semi pro riders pulling the fans in each week, National League crowds should be heaving. They simply aren’t. There were very good crowds at mildenhall yesterday and Kent tonight. So it's not all doom and gloom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, cityrebel said: There were very good crowds at mildenhall yesterday and Kent tonight. So it's not all doom and gloom. What is this year's definition of a "good crowd" as in attendance at the Speedway? PL? CL? & NL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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