mikebv Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, ray c said: Perhaps it is time to downgrade our speedway to a sustainable level because like many people have said it's dying on it's feet ? The time was probably ten or so years ago to be honest..... However, I think some egos of those who run the sport will always stand in the way... Dealing with 'superstars', I think, must give some a sense of 'reflected glory'... Ride on nights that give you the best crowd and grow the sport from its current 'rock bottom' base, only use riders committed 100% to GB Speedway. And pay them what is affordable from an entrance fee of no more than fifteen quid.. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 I thought the reason for fixed nights was to attract the stars back. It does not seem to have worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 minute ago, DC2 said: Insufficient riders is a myth. There are plenty for one big league, especially if we have fixed race nights of Monday and Thursday and two NL Brits at reserve. Insufficint riders racing on every day of the week that is what is being suggested is not a myth .the fans moaning want speedway on a Friday and the weekends not fixed race nights of a Monday and Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, DC2 said: Insufficient riders is a myth. There are plenty for one big league, especially if we have fixed race nights of Monday and Thursday and two NL Brits at reserve. Attendances show fixed nights aren't attracting enough customers Tracks must operate on the best nights for them - and we must have Friday and Saturday nights as Speedway nights 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, orion said: The reason speedway is dying on its feet as it keeps getting downgraded ..its been the same plan for the last 20 years If by downgraded you mean semi-professional then so be it - that's how it was in 1965 for the majority of riders, who rode UK and had jobs/professions as well The likes of Rick France, Ron Mountford, Ivor Brown - even Nigel Boocock - all had income from outside the sport Full-time Speedway isn't sustainable nowadays and the riders need to realise this - then the financial side might be able to be sorted 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 39 minutes ago, orion said: The reason speedway is dying on its feet as it keeps getting downgraded ..its been the same plan for the last 20 years I know that the word I used was sustainable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 44 minutes ago, Midland Red said: If by downgraded you mean semi-professional then so be it - that's how it was in 1965 for the majority of riders, who rode UK and had jobs/professions as well The likes of Rick France, Ron Mountford, Ivor Brown - even Nigel Boocock - all had income from outside the sport Full-time Speedway isn't sustainable nowadays and the riders need to realise this - then the financial side might be able to be 46 minutes ago, Midland Red said: If by downgraded you mean semi-professional then so be it - that's how it was in 1965 for the majority of riders, who rode UK and had jobs/professions as well The likes of Rick France, Ron Mountford, Ivor Brown - even Nigel Boocock - all had income from outside the sport Full-time Speedway isn't sustainable nowadays and the riders need to realise this - then the financial side might be able to be sorted We are not in 1965 anymore .uk speedway is not the only show in town anymore times have changed people are not going to spend nl stadard riders etc .lowering the standard so less fans come in is not sustanable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, DC2 said: Insufficient riders is a myth. There are plenty for one big league, especially if we have fixed race nights of Monday and Thursday and two NL Brits at reserve. Really?? We could probably build teams to start the season, that's no problem. The issue is rider's get injured, how 1 big league could deal with that? Rider's riding abroad, how 1 big league could deal with that? There will be clubs crippled financially by being around the bottom of the league. I think the best idea that some have mentioned is North - South divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Really?? We could probably build teams to start the season, that's no problem. The issue is rider's get injured, how 1 big league could deal with that? Rider's riding abroad, how 1 big league could deal with that? There will be clubs crippled financially by being around the bottom of the league. I think the best idea that some have mentioned is North - South divisions. We already pretty much have that now but clubs like Redcar and Newcastle are running on fresh air, so would the only Premiership club in the north have to downgrade to their level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Really?? We could probably build teams to start the season, that's no problem. The issue is rider's get injured, how 1 big league could deal with that? Rider's riding abroad, how 1 big league could deal with that? There will be clubs crippled financially by being around the bottom of the league. I think the best idea that some have mentioned is North - South divisions. Injuries and riders riding abroad would be covered by other riders from abroad, guests, R/R, careful fixture planning and fixed/preferred race nights just like now. I can’t see how one big league would be more financially crippling. I suspect that at least 16 of the current 19 PL and CL clubs would be viable with the other 3 dropping to the NL if necessary and if there were a season after season disparity like Premier League football the more successful, richer clubs should subsidise the poorer clubs in the interests of having a competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 If there are not enough riders to run seven man teams then don't.. If you cannot afford to run seven man teams then don't.. The fewer riders per team will free up others to replace injured riders.. Simply base your team structures on what you can afford and run on nights that bring the most money in... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Exactly. Ipswich last won the top league with six riders. Not all teams would want/can run at weekends. One league is so mind boggling simple to implement my brain hurts when trying to understand why it’s not happening. The only thing that keeps me sane is knowing The Aces will be back to Fridays and BH next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, ouch said: Exactly. Ipswich last won the top league with six riders. Not all teams would want/can run at weekends. One league is so mind boggling simple to implement my brain hurts when trying to understand why it’s not happening. The only thing that keeps me sane is knowing The Aces will be back to Fridays and BH next year. Exactly, nothing wrong with running teams of 6 or even 5 riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, A ORLOV said: Exactly, nothing wrong with running teams of 6 or even 5 riders. With every single one of them committed to British Speedway.. They might not be 'Superstars' but very, very few are.. The vast majority of riders will always be 'average'... Let them earn couple of grand a week on 'average'.... Every week.. Edited May 19, 2018 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 It's quite annoying... Belle Vue now has their own place but can't race on the chosen Saturday. We've seen the crowds for Monday, really pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Poole v Redcar. That’ll pull them in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Poole v Redcar. That’ll pull them in! you really are full of sh8t -it gets right on my wick. Great - Poole are rich and well supported. Play yourselves every week. You need a league - an affordable one for Redcar and others otherwise you'll have a four team Div 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Poole v Redcar. That’ll pull them in! Why not, with the team Poole have Redcar could win 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 1 big league. 5 man teams. Then there should be enough riders. Edited May 19, 2018 by Phil The Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 i remember when Poole went ** up - i was sorry to lose a track i didn't take the piss out of fans who had lost their track and team to support. They were a cinderella club for years, along with Cradley. People should have more respect for smaller clubs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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