Star Lady Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 41 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: So you are saying that the away side have no choice and have to fulfil the fixture when they are told to? I always understood the home team offered 3 dates, if the away team rejected them all the BSPA/SCB told both parties when to run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 5 hours ago, flagrag said: Leicester wanted to go to Kings Lynn obviously with a full strength side as want to progress in the cup however the date is upto to the home club to arrange. Maybe the KL promotion feel that Leicester are at more of a disadvantage than themselves Lets not forget when this fixture was re-arranged you had Vaculik and not Bjerre,so at the time you would have just had a guest for Andersen.And Lynn didn't have MPT,so would have needed guests for Iversen and K.Andersen.It wasn't ideal then,but how recent signings have gone it has certainly made it much worse than what it originally was. So maybe when the the re-staging date was sought and this date came up Leicester jumped at the chance thinking exactly the opposite to what you have said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Tellboy from what I hear from the Leicester club they have offered to change the date a few times and even tried again on Monday but with no success. So Leicester will run with Guest for Anderson and RR for Bjerre so all riders can take a ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, flagrag said: Tellboy from what I hear from the Leicester club they have offered to change the date a few times and even tried again on Monday but with no success. So Leicester will run with Guest for Anderson and RR for Bjerre so all riders can take a ride Maybe our promotion don't want to change as we're missing nobody?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Maybe our promotion don't want to change as we're missing nobody?!? Well Iversen team Esbjerg definitely have a home meeting on Wednesday local derby against Holsted so very much doubt he will miss that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Maybe our promotion don't want to change as we're missing nobody?!? This is not the way forward, Organisation and planning is paramount to the success of any business, Our Speedway goes from one problem to another. We never seem to look at the obvious and oppose common sense everytime. The PLRC run this Wednesday was another terrible decision. It took up a FRN when other clubs could have used to re-arrange a cancelled meeting, (we've had plenty this year) . If there were to be any cancelled meetings, they usually come at the start of the season or late on, planning spares dates is not difficult. What we don't need is FRN being wasted on running PLRC when it could have fitted in at the end of the season. Come Sept, four teams will have finished their season . One of those clubs could have done with one big meeting before it closed... Why run it now and take up a valuable date. That doesn't alter next weeks clash with Leicester, its just another example of the way the BSPA think...... Once they made that decision to run on Wednesdays our schedule was shot to ribbons. Buster says it will only marginally impose on us and that Niels will only miss a few meetings, (one miss is too many), but he doesn't talk of the other riders, not only in our team but riders in the teams we race against . Planning to run a FRN on a day that clashed with a priority country was always a recipe for a disaster . But don't worry, at least Ipswich and Sheffield are OK...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 9 hours ago, tellboy said: Lets not forget when this fixture was re-arranged you had Vaculik and not Bjerre,so at the time you would have just had a guest for Andersen.And Lynn didn't have MPT,so would have needed guests for Iversen and K.Andersen.It wasn't ideal then,but how recent signings have gone it has certainly made it much worse than what it originally was. So maybe when the the re-staging date was sought and this date came up Leicester jumped at the chance thinking exactly the opposite to what you have said. Don't forget, when this was rearranged, it was simply moved to one of the original league dates between the two teams, so hardly a new date to work around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 1 hour ago, kelvinht said: Don't forget, when this was rearranged, it was simply moved to one of the original league dates between the two teams, so hardly a new date to work around Good point.So Leicester were always happy to ride Lynn whether it was league or KO Cup knowing we would be missing NKI and K.Andersen,and they would have only been missing Hans. So Flagrag making it look like Lynn are the bad guys in all of this,when the date was set even before the season started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 3 hours ago, g13webb said: This is not the way forward, Organisation and planning is paramount to the success of any business, Our Speedway goes from one problem to another. We never seem to look at the obvious and oppose common sense everytime. The PLRC run this Wednesday was another terrible decision. It took up a FRN when other clubs could have used to re-arrange a cancelled meeting, (we've had plenty this year) . If there were to be any cancelled meetings, they usually come at the start of the season or late on, planning spares dates is not difficult. What we don't need is FRN being wasted on running PLRC when it could have fitted in at the end of the season. Come Sept, four teams will have finished their season . One of those clubs could have done with one big meeting before it closed... Why run it now and take up a valuable date. That doesn't alter next weeks clash with Leicester, its just another example of the way the BSPA think...... Once they made that decision to run on Wednesdays our schedule was shot to ribbons. Buster says it will only marginally impose on us and that Niels will only miss a few meetings, (one miss is too many), but he doesn't talk of the other riders, not only in our team but riders in the teams we race against . Planning to run a FRN on a day that clashed with a priority country was always a recipe for a disaster . But don't worry, at least Ipswich and Sheffield are OK...... Agreed with one exception. I think that Sheffield would have gone into PL with Leicester going to CL if the Thursdays FRN had been kept. So it was probably Ipswich and Redcar the main blockers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 I presume Danny King will be missing as well, unless he's made a quicker than expected recovery from his arm injury, so potentially none of Lions top 3 are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 12 hours ago, flagrag said: So Leicester will run with Guest for Anderson Connor Mountain? It's only fair 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 I have still not seen any official news for this meeting yet. Surely all arrangements would be in place by now so hoping the Website is updated shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) Last year we were told that 24 hours before the match, was all the notice we needed for team changes. I can see Cpl. Jones dashing around the stadium shouting "Don't panic, Don't panic" followed by the team manger and other club officials. When you read that Peter Kildemand is being released by Poole because of 9 future clashes with Danish fixtures it's not easy to not panic! Love him or loathe him Matt Ford is no mug. Maybe not all three of our Danes will be required for all of those? Fingers crossed. Nothing can anyway be put on the website until after Buster returns from the Grand Prix to impart his seal to it in a royal manner. All kinds of natural ( and unnatural ) events wind , rain, snow, fog etc could intervene and postpone the match if there really were to be 6 riders missing from the two teams. Edited May 13, 2018 by waytogo28 Additional point made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, waytogo28 said: Last year we were told that 24 hours before the match, was all the notice we needed for team changes. I can see Cpl. Jones dashing around the stadium shouting "Don't panic, Don't panic" followed by the team manger and other club officials. When you read that Peter Kildemand is being released by Poole because of 9 future clashes with Danish fixtures it's not easy to not panic! Love him or loathe him Matt Ford is no mug. Maybe not all three of our Danes will be required for all of those? Fingers crossed. Nothing can anyway be put on the website until after Buster returns from the Grand Prix to impart his seal to it in a royal manner. All kinds of natural ( and unnatural ) events wind , rain, snow, fog etc could intervene and postpone the match if there really were to be 6 riders missing from the two teams. And isn't this exactly why Speedway has zero credibility as a team sport...? Promoters must literally spend hours trying to arrange meetings to get an advantage over their rivals knowing they will be missing riders, and then more hours sourcing the best guests available.. Rather than spending those zero value adding hours planning (and then aggressively promoting), meetings that have both credibility and integrity.... The irony being is that all that planning and thought is designed to win a meeting that is now rendered totally meaningless by the very definition of the teams so painstakingly put together..! You couldn't make it up sometimes could you? Poole have released Kildemand as he will miss nine matches however if he had been running an 11 point average, and they would have then have had the whole league to use as guests on a 'horses for courses' basis, would they have done it? (If they could have had guests that is? Or would it have been an NL rider only they could use? Or does it come down to which meeting was arranged first? Or which meeting was rearranged first? Etc etc etc).. The fact the sport, by its actions, even facilitates such discussion about such nonsense on social meda, pretty much sums out why it is so out of touch with it current fan base and the much, much higher numbers in its 'ex fanbase'.... Simply Crackers... And I know it would never happen but this is exactly the kind of thing an independent body or person running the sport would simply not allow.... As they/he (or she it is 2018), would simply see these perpetual self inflicted situations as far too brand damaging to ever be allowed, even just once... (Never mind 'ad infinitum')!!... Edited May 13, 2018 by mikebv 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, mikebv said: And isn't this exactly why Speedway has zero credibility as a team sport...? Promoters must literally spend hours trying to arrange meetings to get an advantage over their rivals knowing they will be missing riders, and then more hours sourcing the best guests available.. Rather than spending those zero value adding hours planning (and then aggressively promoting), meetings that have both credibility and integrity.... The irony being is that all that planning and thought is designed to win a meeting that is now rendered totally meaningless by the very definition of the teams so painstakingly put together..! You couldn't make it up sometimes could you? Poole have released Kildemand as he will miss nine matches however if he had been running an 11 point average, and they would have then have had the whole league to use as guests on a 'horses for courses' basis, would they have done it? (If they could have had guests that is? Or would it have been an NL rider only they could use? Or does it come down to which meeting was arranged first? Or which meeting was rearranged first? Etc etc etc).. The fact the sport, by its actions, even facilitates such discussion about such nonsense on social meda, pretty much sums out why it is so out of touch with it current fan base and the much, much higher numbers in its 'ex fanbase'.... Simply Crackers... And I know it would never happen but this is exactly the kind of thing an independent body or person running the sport would simply not allow.... As they/he (or she it is 2018), would simply see these perpetual self inflicted situations as far too brand damaging to ever be allowed, even just once... (Never mind 'ad infinitum')!!... When I was directly involved in the sport I used to wonder how successful it would be if the promoters kept the rivalries on track and stopped wasting so much time shafting each other off-track. For too many it seems to be some kind of very expensive power game. Edited May 13, 2018 by RobMcCaffery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said: When I was directly involved in the sport I used to wonder how successful it would be if the promoters kept the rivalries on track and stopped wasting so much time shafting each other off-track. For too many it seems to be some kind of very expensive power game. This is why we need an independent body,don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 For all the adverse comments directed at Matt Ford, he is no mug and sees most situations before the majority of other Promoters do. I was not surprised that he only saw Kildemand as a short term replacement , and as since terminated that connection. Once the BSPA decided to run our FRN on a Wednesday, some Promoters would have realised the implication of that decision and not signed any Danish riders. (Thought ) Probably this answers the question why Matt Ford let Hans Andersen go. Looking at the teams now, you will find those managers with their finger on the pulse did not picked any Danish riders. Its seems Kings Lynn and Leicester didn't think along the same lines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, g13webb said: For all the adverse comments directed at Matt Ford, he is no mug and sees most situations before the majority of other Promoters do. I was not surprised that he only saw Kildemand as a short term replacement , and as since terminated that connection. Once the BSPA decided to run our FRN on a Wednesday, some Promoters would have realised the implication of that decision and not signed any Danish riders. (Thought ) Probably this answers the question why Matt Ford let Hans Andersen go. Looking at the teams now, you will find those managers with their finger on the pulse did not picked any Danish riders. Its seems Kings Lynn and Leicester didn't think along the same lines... But again there in lies another of Speedways nonsense operating ideas.. If, as they did, they decided Wednesday and not the agreed Thursday was going to be the fixed night, then it should have been decreed no Danish riders allowed.. Or... The fixed nights will be, as agreed, Monday and Thursday, hence no clashes with Denmark so all Danish riders allowed.. 'Common sense' I believe it is known as... Typically Speedway in this country then tried to deliver its usual cobbled together half arsed plan that appeases everyone but ultimately helps no one to move the Sport forward.. Death by a thousand (self inflicted) cuts could be a very apt description.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 Maybe Poole should’ve signed seven Danes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 Should have been Thursday night racing.Without the Danes there most definitely wouldn't be enough riders.They have really served the British league well over the years and to stop them from riding in the British league would be crazy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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