RebelDan Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Najjer said: So, which teams aren't actually happy with fixed race nights? It seems crowds aren't good at Belle Vue and Rye House is reports are to be believed. Although we haven't had many meetings at home for one reason or another, Somerset's crowds appear to be good. It'll be interesting to see how that continues into the summer. I think it was a blessing in disguise moving away from Fridays and the dreaded M5 traffic personally. Poole, Kings Lynn (albeit with the cock up of the missing Danish riders), Wolves and Swindon have all maintained their original race night so they can only gain by not having missing riders galore as per previous seasons. So that only leaves Leicester, who I'm not sure how they are faring with the switch? Somerset’s crowds looked down on last year to me based on the first 2 meetings. Not sure what the crowd was like tonight ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 You have the "world champ "in your team as well ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Always a RACER said: Somerset’s crowds looked down on last year to me based on the first 2 meetings. Not sure what the crowd was like tonight ? Probably the biggest of the 3 meetings so far, but I thought all 3 crowds had been good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Najjer said: Probably the biggest of the 3 meetings so far, but I thought all 3 crowds had been good so far. They'll need to watch it, though. More meeting like that, with people hanging around while tractors go round, and crowds will drop. People aren't going to pay money to be bored for 45 minutes. (I wasn't there, by the way, but basing this on comments on updates and on here). Edited May 17, 2018 by Grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, Grachan said: They'll need to watch it, though. More meeting like that, with people hanging around while tractors go round, and crowds will drop. People aren't going to pay money to be bored for 45 minutes. (I wasn't there, by the way, but basing this on comments on updates and on here). 2 meetings in a row now - even the most loyal die hards will of been fed up at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Where are the rider's to come from on those days? Friday - Sunday is Poland, GP's, SEC all qualifiers etc. Wednesday's are Denmark. Monday - Thursday are the best days all round. Doubling up. In practice few if any would initially run on Sunday except probably Newcastle, nobody would do Tuesday, and if a club wanted to run on a Wednesday such as Poole they would avoid employing Danes or at least only have one or two. Saturdays & Sundays seems to be falling out of favour anyway except for NL clubs. So it would probably over time become one Mondays&Wednesdays league, and one Thursdays&Fridays league. I think it would help the NL too. On second thoughts though, playoff matches involving crossovers between the leagues wouldn't work, it would have to be the two league winners in a grand final although playoffs could be used to determine the two league winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 It seems that long tractor heroics do relatively little anyway to improve the racing anywhere. So it must be about selling drinks and food. Driving people away to make a few extra quid now seems idiotic and short sighted. That seems to be the case at King's Lynn. Reducing crowd levels that way for almost no gain is pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Decent crowds so far at The Abbey, doubt if a Monday cup match against Rye will pack them in though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booey boy Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 The majority of fans on this forum were calling for fixed race nights for the last 2 seasons.Now the powers that be give the fans fixed race nights a lot are saying they should never have bee brought in you can't win with some people 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Booey boy said: The majority of fans on this forum were calling for fixed race nights for the last 2 seasons.Now the powers that be give the fans fixed race nights a lot are saying they should never have bee brought in you can't win with some people Yes but we was fed a lie. Was told by riders they would come back if fixed race nights. But they Fed us a lie. And then the BSPA say only 1 rider over 8. So again fed a dud. It could work but not on the nights picked 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said: Yes but we was fed a lie. Was told by riders they would come back if fixed race nights. But they Fed us a lie. And then the BSPA say only 1 rider over 8. So again fed a dud. It could work but not on the nights picked Agreed they improved it then cocked it up with only 1 rider over 8 allowed and a last min change from thurs to wed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) People say "give me good racing" People say "give me a great racer" Well Belle Vue have the best race track (perhaps bar Hackney and Peterborough) for years and Dan Bewley "the most exciting rider perhaps since Mark Loram or Kenny Carter" and apparently the crowds are well down. What part of the above is hard to understand SCRAP FIXED RACE NIGHTS Edited June 28, 2018 by Rayleigh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Rayleigh said: People say "give me good racing" People say "give me a great racer" Well Belle Vue have the best race track (perhaps bar Hackney and Peterborough) for years and Dan Bewley "the most exciting rider perhaps since Mark Loram or Kenny Carter" and apparently the crowds are well down. What part of the above is hard to understand SCRAP FIXED RACE NIGHTS Hackney !!! wouldn`t be anywhere in my list of good race tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booey boy Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: Yes but we was fed a lie. Was told by riders they would come back if fixed race nights. But they Fed us a lie. And then the BSPA say only 1 rider over 8. So again fed a dud. It could work but not on the nights picked I still don't think they would come back not for what was being payed over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Bring in fixed race night's Monday, Thursday & Friday. Premiership takes rider priority over Championship fixtures. Rider's racing in Polish Ekstraliga on Friday fixtures are granted a facility. Monday - Wolverhampton Thursday - King's Lynn, Poole (Swindon) Friday - Belle Vue, Somerset, Leicester (Rye House) Questions remain over Rye House and Swindon's future. Other clubs may want to step up. If neither come to tapes in 2019 it will be 1 big league, home and away twice, no cup matches. The fixed race night's can still come into play as weekend fixtures are getting less in the Championship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Bring in fixed race night's Monday, Thursday & Friday. Premiership takes rider priority over Championship fixtures. Rider's racing in Polish Ekstraliga on Friday fixtures are granted a facility. Monday - Wolverhampton Thursday - King's Lynn, Poole (Swindon) Friday - Belle Vue, Somerset, Leicester (Rye House) Questions remain over Rye House and Swindon's future. Other clubs may want to step up. If neither come to tapes in 2019 it will be 1 big league, home and away twice, no cup matches. The fixed race night's can still come into play as weekend fixtures are getting less in the Championship. No 'facilities' for anything... All that has ever done is create an opportunity to cut corners, fudge issues, deliver sharp practice, and always play the 'aah but this is Speedway' get out of jail card, that allows nonsense decisions to happen under an alleged concept of a professionally administrated sport.. Sod the rest of the World. . Look after No1... I don't seek permission off my competitors when I can open my business.. If I did they would want me to open from 11pm to 6am whilst they all opened 6am to 11pm... Simply run whatever night gives you the best crowd. . Publish a fixture list well in front of the rest of the European Leagues, (before the end of this season?), avoiding all 2019 FIM meetings.... And inform the riders of the fixtures before this season ends.. Tell the riders that when they sign up that they must ride in 100% of the meetings and any messing around, for example, being injured over here whilst riding elsewhere, will see them with a 12 month ban.. If DU is a 'necessary evil' then no fixtures should ever take place that means any rider needs to be in two places at once.... Run seven man teams, six man teams, five man teams etc etc. (Delete as applicable), Just as long as enough riders of a similar ability level take to the track most heats in every meeting.. Run one league, two leagues, three leagues, four leagues etc etc (Delete as applicable). Just as long as the League itself has credibilty and integrity, therefore meaning there is some actual value in actually winning the damn thing.. And maybe even bring in a salary cap with punitive action if any team flouts it... Charge max £15 for adults in the 'top league' and kids in for free.. Budget for 1200 punters (on your best night for Speedway surely possible?) meaning you take circa £14.4k after VAT on admission. Any programme profit, car park, bar take (if applicable) etc is extra, as is any sponsorship.. That £14.4k would deliver around £10k to pay riders for the home and away meeting if costs were around £4.4k.. 'IF' the numbers add up then simply build your teams with riders willing to ride at least twice a week for this money, how many actual riders per team to be determined by your £5k a night budget not by "we have to have seven because......" In short, run at whatever standard is affordable to deliver a realistic price point of admission, on nights you can attract your most income, and ensure what you put out in front of the fans has the credibility and integrity expected of a bona fide Sporting Championship.. Must be worth a try surely? For once.... Edited June 29, 2018 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: Bring in fixed race night's Monday, Thursday & Friday. Premiership takes rider priority over Championship fixtures. Rider's racing in Polish Ekstraliga on Friday fixtures are granted a facility. Monday - Wolverhampton Thursday - King's Lynn, Poole (Swindon) Friday - Belle Vue, Somerset, Leicester (Rye House) Questions remain over Rye House and Swindon's future. Other clubs may want to step up. If neither come to tapes in 2019 it will be 1 big league, home and away twice, no cup matches. The fixed race night's can still come into play as weekend fixtures are getting less in the Championship. What if the Championship clubs say no thanks to 1 big league - whether there is 5 6 7 or 8 left sort yourselves out..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: What if the Championship clubs say no thanks to 1 big league - whether there is 5 6 7 or 8 left sort yourselves out..... Won't happen.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, mikebv said: No 'facilities' for anything... All that has ever done is create an oportunity to cut corners, fudge issues, deliver sharp practice, and always play the 'aah but this is Speedway' get out of jail card, that allows nonsense decisions to happen under an alleged concept of a professionally administrated sport.. Sod the rest of the World. . Look after No1... I don't seek permission off my competitors when I can open my business.. If I did they would want me to open from 11pm to 6am whilst they all opened 6am to 11pm... Simply run whatever night gives you the best crowd. . Publish a fixture list well in front of the rest of the European Leagues, (before the end of this season?), avoiding all 2019 FIM meetings.... And inform the riders of the fixtures before this season ends.. Tell the riders that when they sign up that they must ride in 100% of the meetings and any messing around, for example, being injured over here whilst riding elsewhere, will see them with a 12 month ban.. If DU is a 'necessary evil' then no fixtures should ever take place that means any rider needs to be in two places at once.... Run seven man teams, six man teams, five man teams etc etc. (Delete as applicable), Just as long as enough riders of a similar ability level take to the track most heats in every meeting.. Run one league, two leagues, three leagues, four leagues etc etc (Delete as applicable). Just as long as the League itself has credibilty and integrity, therefore meaning there is some actual value in actually winning the damn thing.. And maybe even bring in a salary cap with punitive action if any team flouts it... Charge max £15 for adults in the 'top league' and kids in for free.. Budget for 1200 punters (on your best night for Speedway surely possible?) meaning you take circa £14.4k after VAT on admission. Any programme profit, car park, bar take (if applicable) etc is extra, as is any sponsorship.. That £14.4k would deliver around £10k to pay riders for the home and away meeting if costs were around £4.4k.. 'IF' the numbers add up then simply build your teams with riders willing to ride at least twice a week for this money, how many actual riders per team to be determined by your £5k a night budget not by "we have to have seven because......" In short, run at whatever standard is affordable to deliver a realistic price point of admission, on nights you can attract your most income, and ensure what you put out in front of the fans has the credibility and integrity expected of a bona fide Sporting Championship.. Must be worth a try surely? For once.... Great post. Straight from "The Donald" playbook, Make British Speedway Great Again. Time to think not only of us first, but only us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, mikebv said: No 'facilities' for anything... All that has ever done is create an oportunity to cut corners, fudge issues, deliver sharp practice, and always play the 'aah but this is Speedway' get out of jail card, that allows nonsense decisions to happen under an alleged concept of a professionally administrated sport.. Sod the rest of the World. . Look after No1... I don't seek permission off my competitors when I can open my business.. If I did they would want me to open from 11pm to 6am whilst they all opened 6am to 11pm... Simply run whatever night gives you the best crowd. . Publish a fixture list well in front of the rest of the European Leagues, (before the end of this season?), avoiding all 2019 FIM meetings.... And inform the riders of the fixtures before this season ends.. Tell the riders that when they sign up that they must ride in 100% of the meetings and any messing around, for example, being injured over here whilst riding elsewhere, will see them with a 12 month ban.. If DU is a 'necessary evil' then no fixtures should ever take place that means any rider needs to be in two places at once.... Run seven man teams, six man teams, five man teams etc etc. (Delete as applicable), Just as long as enough riders of a similar ability level take to the track most heats in every meeting.. Run one league, two leagues, three leagues, four leagues etc etc (Delete as applicable). Just as long as the League itself has credibilty and integrity, therefore meaning there is some actual value in actually winning the damn thing.. And maybe even bring in a salary cap with punitive action if any team flouts it... Charge max £15 for adults in the 'top league' and kids in for free.. Budget for 1200 punters (on your best night for Speedway surely possible?) meaning you take circa £14.4k after VAT on admission. Any programme profit, car park, bar take (if applicable) etc is extra, as is any sponsorship.. That £14.4k would deliver around £10k to pay riders for the home and away meeting if costs were around £4.4k.. 'IF' the numbers add up then simply build your teams with riders willing to ride at least twice a week for this money, how many actual riders per team to be determined by your £5k a night budget not by "we have to have seven because......" In short, run at whatever standard is affordable to deliver a realistic price point of admission, on nights you can attract your most income, and ensure what you put out in front of the fans has the credibility and integrity expected of a bona fide Sporting Championship.. Must be worth a try surely? For once.... So, you basically saying f-off FIM nobody is taking priority over British Speedway? With Sweden given priority on Tuesday, Denmark Wednesday and Poland Friday, Saturday and Sunday how is your little plan gonna stand up??? Where do you stand with Robert Lambert and Dan Bewley likely to get Ekstraliga contracts next season? You want them banned right??? You want rid of Brady Kurtz, Jack Holder, Max Frick, etc just because they have Ekstraliga jobs. You'd ban rider's for signing with Polish Liga 1 and 2 teams?? The FIM have implemented priority race days for a reason, British Speedway doesn't get any for weekend days so we have to work with what we've got. We're not in a position or have enough rider's available to force total 100% commitment to UK fixtures except for Monday and Thursday fixtures. You throw in a 100% commitment rule there will be far more teams fold than continuing with fixed race night's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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