stevebrum Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Fred Flange said: Thankfully that opinion is not shared by the majority of proper speedway fans. The fact is Mondays meeting was significantly more meaningful once it was changed to the KO Cup fixture, and made the 24 point victory much more worthwhile than it would have been had it just been a league cup qualifier, as originally planned. No doubt the crowd was boosted not only by the bank holiday but the magic of the cup. I expect the league cup qualifiers will be down around 50% on Mondays crowd. As for the KO Cup being Mickey mouse, you've not thought that through ((again, lol!) the idiots have taken the KO Cup format and used it to decide the league winners! Besides the final 2nd leg was significantly better than either of the league cup final legs, other than the hillarity of wolves losing the 'title' despite being eight points up, at home, with only a few races to go. Without the choke of the millennium (again, lol!) it really was a crappy advert for speedway wasn't it? Despite the super well balanced team I predict another low crowd on the little home straight terrace in the return, I doubt Adams will be moaning about crap support on the radio again though, ha ha! Thankfully league tables don't lie, an expected clueless retort. Ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 14 hours ago, bellevueace said: I think you are spot on with that assessment, if the entertainment served up not just on Monday does not tempt people through the turnstiles speedway has a real problem, having said that ive seen several polish meetings this season and overall the racing has been very processional but look at their crowds, doesn't add up to me. The problem is as I’ve said before, people don’t like speedway. Belle Vue have tried everything under the sun over the last decade or so but to no avail. A nationwide promotional push might help but I can’t see it happening. If you need an indicator of how difficult it is to pull punters in just think of your circle of friends be it 20, 50, 100 or more, then try and coax them along and then see how many out of those that actually come, return on a regular basis. This is friends asking friends not just some ad in the paper so the chance of success are far greater. See how it goes and report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 I've taken many friends and acquaintances over the years, 30+ I'd say. Less than on one hand can I say those who went more than twice a season after that. It's gone beyond tell your friends and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 5 hours ago, stevebrum said: I've taken many friends and acquaintances over the years, 30+ I'd say. Less than on one hand can I say those who went more than twice a season after that. It's gone beyond tell your friends and family. Well that's the Sport knackered then..... Because "Hey, why dont all you fans bring a friend" appears to be the only 'marketing plan' of the past 25 years used... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Fred Flange said: Thankfully that opinion is not shared by the majority of proper speedway fans. The fact is Mondays meeting was significantly more meaningful once it was changed to the KO Cup fixture, and made the 24 point victory much more worthwhile than it would have been had it just been a league cup qualifier, as originally planned. No doubt the crowd was boosted not only by the bank holiday but the magic of the cup. I expect the league cup qualifiers will be down around 50% on Mondays crowd. As for the KO Cup being Mickey mouse, you've not thought that through ((again, lol!) the idiots have taken the KO Cup format and used it to decide the league winners! Besides the final 2nd leg was significantly better than either of the league cup final legs, other than the hillarity of wolves losing the 'title' despite being eight points up, at home, with only a few races to go. Without the choke of the millennium (again, lol!) it really was a crappy advert for speedway wasn't it? Despite the super well balanced team I predict another low crowd on the little home straight terrace in the return, I doubt Adams will be moaning about crap support on the radio again though, ha ha! Ah that would be the final we had to compete without our best 2 riders and not allowed adequate replacements yet still only lost by 1 point on aggregate. Choke of the millennium lol, you're having a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Fred Flange said: Only you could bring up the league table in a thread about a KO Cup meeting, lol! Only you could bring up us having a mediocre season after one KO Cup meeting, lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Fred Flange said: I'm having a laugh? You said it!! Same as I was when Belle Vue choked and let Rory win the penultimate race of the playoff semi-final to defeat from the jaws of victory. The disbelief from the home fans was a joy to behold lol Edited May 10, 2018 by Call me wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 That look was carried over from the refs blunder in Ht 13. It’s still there now. Unbelievable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces High Posted May 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 45 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: Same as I was when Belle Vue choked and let Rory win the penultimate race of the playoff semi-final to defeat from the jaws of victory. The disbelief from the home fans was a joy to behold lol I am still shocked by that to be fair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: Only you could bring up us having a mediocre season after one KO Cup meeting, lol! There's only you and and a very small minority of Wolves fans who think this season will be anything close to mediocre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 22 hours ago, BWitcher said: I haven't yet had the opportunity to see the Belle Vue mascot 'Chase the Ace' in action but have seen some glowing reports from some members of the forum. If it's increasing crowd participation and helping with the atmosphere, that's a step in the right direction. Wolverhampton used to have Mr Wolf back in the day who was great.. unfortunately any attempts to replace him have fallen very flat indeed. He is absolutely extraordinary and a huge credit to himself, Belle Vue and speedway in general. I suspect many, like me, view mascots with a mixture of indifference and embarrassment. They rarely do more than wander about waving. This guy, though, does everything. On Monday there was a break in racing between heats 14 & !5 due to a chap being taken ill. Chase led everyone in a sing song (Sweet Caroline) , did his incredible John Travolta Staying Alive dance and then attempted (sadly, unsuccessfully) to start a conga. He'd already got the Grandstand cheering and done a dance with the start marshal before and during the meeting (these can be viewed on the Belle Vue facebook page). He is often the star of the show Throw in the ultra professional Neil Drummond (in my view, and with some pretty stiff competition, the best box man in the game)and Hayley Bromley - although I missed her 'Come on Manchester' chanting this time - and there is very little that other teams can teach Belle Vue about presentation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Sounds excellent HT. Chase the Ace does indeed sound very much like a young Mr Wolf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, geoff58 said: let's see at the end of season Exactly. No one is mediocre at this stage of the season although Poole are doing a very good impression of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fred Flange said: So why bring it up then? Brought up by Ivanhoe on page 8 to which I replied and you said I was the only one who thought we weren't. Forgetful again I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 On 09/05/2018 at 11:48 PM, stevebrum said: I've taken many friends and acquaintances over the years, 30+ I'd say. Less than on one hand can I say those who went more than twice a season after that. It's gone beyond tell your friends and family. I don't think that's true, Steve. Isle of Wight's gates have increased season on season and that's largely through word of mouth about just how good the experience is. And therein lies the problem. Unless it is a good experience - and, let's face it, frequently it isn't - they aren't going to come back. Get the product right - and this isn't just about what happens on track - and you might stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 On 08/05/2018 at 12:27 PM, BWitcher said: You would have thought so... but, until Belle Vue are booming, it doesn't really hold water unfortunately. Huge crowd for this meeting. That suggests that the reason Belle Vue isn't booming is start time and weather. I think its fair to say that if all tracks had Belle Vue's quality of racing and presentation speedway would be attracting more fans than it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: Huge crowd for this meeting. That suggests that the reason Belle Vue isn't booming is start time and weather. I think its fair to say that if all tracks had Belle Vue's quality of racing and presentation speedway would be attracting more fans than it does. Maybe a bit controversial for some on here, but I do actually think that there is too much Speedway... Bank Holidays tend to be frequented by many for whom that day is their only visits of the year... And if you only attended on those days you would think Speedway was popular as you would always be part of a decent crowd.... Maybe Speedway should just go down the Stock Car route and run around 8 individual meetings per track per year, with effective marketing and promotion seperate for each event, on days that actually encourage crowds to attend (ie Weekends). There simply isn't enough riders (or too many teams?) to keep churning out meeting after meeting, night after night, around the country. Hence many meetings become Mickey Mouse, contrived nonsense which actively dissuades attendance to a large contingent of the possible crowd, and does great damage to the Speedway 'brand'.. The bottom line is that if you cannot run ANY Team Sport with credibility or integrity to engage that emotional attachment from a support base, then you have pretty much no chance of ever being successful.. Speedway does though have that tremendously exciting spectacle of the racing which can be appreciated by many thousands when done well, so should maybe just sell that spectacle as a stand alone rather than a contrived team ethos? Bank Holidays show the potential audience who know what Speedway is and where it takes place, with many no doubt being ex regulars... They just don't want to go every week/fortnight.. Possibly less is actually more...? Edited May 12, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) Lets see how many are at Belle Vue on monday when they are on tv against the best team in the league, or if there are many that have stayed away and are watching it on tv. Edited May 12, 2018 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 Looking at the other fixtures that night, if I couldn’t get to the NSS I’d stay home and watch the tele. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 No problem with the weather for Monday, bright & sunny, so should get a good crowd, if it wasn't on TV. I for one hate going to live meetings when they are on TV. TV being there ruins the experience, with all the contrived breaks for adverts etc. I do hope they leave the track prep to our track man, and not that bald bloke who used to ruin many a TV meeting with his idea of a good track. I would not mind if they never televised Belle Vue home meetings. Will be a close result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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