Aces51 Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BWitcher said: Indeed it is, except your conclusion doesn't really add up. Not a cat hells chance of Heeps or Morris finishing any better than Howarth in his first two rides. He then finished ahead of Morris in his 3rd. Indeed, it seems he gave Bewley one his toughest races (discounting Heat 15). Schlein was 5-1'd by Cook and Bewley as Howarth was. Only really his 4th ride could they have done better as Howarth was excluded. Reality is, it didn't really matter and never was going to matter. Wolves side simply not good enough away from home and especially at the NSS. It's your conclusions that don't add up. It wasn't a question of doing better than Howarth. You said his absence and using r/r "weakens us a lot". In other words that r/r would score significantly less than Howarth, not more. Are you really suggesting that Schlein, Heeps and Morris would not have scored 3 in Howarth's rides. Indeed to weaken you a lot they would probably have had to fail to score at all. Edited May 7, 2018 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, Aces51 said: It's your conclusions that don't add up. It wasn't a question of doing better than Howarth. You said his absence and using r/r "weakens us a lot". In other words that r/r would score significantly less than Howarth, not more. Are you really suggesting that Schlein, Heeps and Morris would not have scored 3 in Howarth's rides. Indeed to weaken you a lot they would probably have had to fail to score at all. You can be weakened and it not effect the score.. we're that poor to begin with! I've explained the rationale in my post, none of the three would have done better in Howarth's first two rides for sure. Realistically only the race he was excluded in might they have improved things. The reality is, as I said, Belle Vue were far too good, as I said they would be all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: You can be weakened and it not effect the score.. we're that poor to begin with! I've explained the rationale in my post, none of the three would have done better in Howarth's first two rides for sure. Realistically only the race he was excluded in might they have improved things. The reality is, as I said, Belle Vue were far too good, as I said they would be all along. Or you could just be straight and say; I said r/r for Howarth would weaken us a lot, Howarth scored 3 and it is highly unlikely that r/r would have scored less and certainly not a lot less, I accept that is impossible. Keep going on about r/r scoring more than Howarth did is totally irrelevant when your point was the team would be weakened a lot, which logically means his replacements scoring less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) Brilliant afternoon of racing. Just brilliant. 2 teams make a match and the score doesn't reflect how wolves rode TBH. Is our lead big enough. I'd say I don't know. Going to be close one Edited May 7, 2018 by Phil The Ace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Phil The Ace said: Brilliant afternoon of racing. Just brilliant. 2 teams make a match and the score doesn't reflect how wolves rode TBH. Is our lead big enough. I'd say I don't know. Going to be close one True , great racing from both sets of riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 Cracking meeting again at the NSS better racing than the score suggests, water tractor out after every 2 heats but worth it to produce the quality racing on such a hot day. Hats off to the track staff. One small moan, why did it take so long to get heat 15 run. After the track had been watered because of the delay it had to be done again because it dried out. Strange. Meeting was still run at a good pace though ,just wish I lived closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) How old is Bewley bloke...His average has nearly doubled last seasons.Whats the secret . Edited May 7, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, bruno said: Cracking meeting again at the NSS better racing than the score suggests, water tractor out after every 2 heats but worth it to produce the quality racing on such a hot day. Hats off to the track staff. One small moan, why did it take so long to get heat 15 run. After the track had been watered because of the delay it had to be done again because it dried out. Strange. Meeting was still run at a good pace though ,just wish I lived closer An old gentleman collapsed behind us in South stand so the paramedics were attending to him. So a genuine reason for the delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: How old is Bewley bloke...His average has nearly doubled last seasons.Whats the secret . He'll be 19 on the 20th of this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, KevH said: He'll be 19 on the 20th of this month. Thought so..To old to do any good Joking.At this rate he will join Lambo in the England squad pretty soon..Nice to see young Brits getting a chance. I don't know what he is doing this year, but so far it's working great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 Is Cook saving himself for GP and Poland? ,pretty mediocre start to season IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 Alarm bells ringing for Wolves. We are really missing Freddie as Jacob is struggling away. Heeps and Greaves struggling too. Time for a shuffle of the pack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aces51 said: Or you could just be straight and say; I said r/r for Howarth would weaken us a lot, Howarth scored 3 and it is highly unlikely that r/r would have scored less and certainly not a lot less, I accept that is impossible. Keep going on about r/r scoring more than Howarth did is totally irrelevant when your point was the team would be weakened a lot, which logically means his replacements scoring less. Why would I say it? R/R for Howarth weakens us a lot, I stand by that. That doesn't mean that Howarth is going to be better than the RR riders every time, nor the other way round. The simple fact is, before a wheel is turned no Wolves fan would have wanted RR for Howarth. If the match was to take place again tomorrow, we still wouldn't want RR for Howarth and our team would be weaker. As I said, it was always academic anyway as Belle Vue are far too good. Anyway little point in us going round in circles, I accept your point, it made no difference at all in the actual meeting. Edited May 7, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, bruno said: Cracking meeting again at the NSS better racing than the score suggests, water tractor out after every 2 heats but worth it to produce the quality racing on such a hot day. Hats off to the track staff. One small moan, why did it take so long to get heat 15 run. After the track had been watered because of the delay it had to be done again because it dried out. Strange. Meeting was still run at a good pace though ,just wish I lived closer It was announced several times that paramedics were dealing with a gentleman who had collapsed in south stand (and is ok). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, Rob B said: It was announced several times that paramedics were dealing with a gentleman who had collapsed in south stand (and is ok). Good news that he is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: An old gentleman collapsed behind us in South stand so the paramedics were attending to him. So a genuine reason for the delay. Obviously that's fair enough then Phil, they should tell the crowd though everyone would understand then. Thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Must have missed the announcement , we were in the south stand but between speakers so couldn't hear too well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, bruno said: Obviously that's fair enough then Phil, they should tell the crowd though everyone would understand then. Thanks for the info They did announce it a few times. You must have been chatting away lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Terrific speedway meeting. When it's done properly it really is an excellent sport. Passing in every race and not a single bit of dust. It must be a joy to ride but a nightmare at the same time because defending a lead when the track is riding like it did yesterday is next to impossible. I'd say of the 15 races only 2 were won from the tapes. I'm naturally biased as a BV fan but this place really is a diamond in what is a rapidly declining sport in the UK. Excellent atmosphere. Excellent facilities. Excellent racing. If every track did it like this the sport would be booming here. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just love the Wolves OS's headline................................... 'Cup hopes in the balance' more like 'cup hopes down the gurgler'. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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