Glasgow v Sheffield SGBCL 04/05/2018 @ 19.30

[Gazc]

1 hour ago, SharpenRake said:

Yes shambolic but I'm not sure why your suggesting the referee had some part in this. Jack Thomas came out in correct blue helmet colour well on time and lined up at right gate, gate 2. Sarjeant came out late also with blue helmet colour. Someone runs across centre green, don't know who but wearing tigers colours so presumably a pit member of some sort and rips off jacks helmet cover and replaces it with a red one. al this with the clock ticking down to zero. Thomas wearing the red colour then gets told to move to gate 4 and sarjeant goes into gate 2. by now the 2minute clock has expired and the ref has no option to disqualify both as they had wrong helmet colours and in the wrong gate position. A pity jack is just a young lad as a more experienced rider would have told the guy changing his colour where to go. And to compound the farce Jack is the one that gets taken out of the race. So sarjeant makes mistake , pit staf make mistake in changing Jack's cover then team manager basically shafts jack. I hope the promotion/team manger/sarjeant or whoever compensates Jack because at least he would have earned something from the race by getting the third place point!

It was more to do with pulling perfect starts back something we were told would be relaxed on.

 

Perfect example twice last night Richie and Claus, Richie made an absolute perfect start no movement just text book, upshot she pulls it back warns Richie for anticipating the start.

 

Now i may be missing something but i would have thought it was part of a riders job to anticipate the start,why bring in a rule if these clowns don't adhere to it.

Also hoping Paul Starke is ok was a real nasty one he took, Young Jack going for a gap that wasn't there and totally wiping Paul out no malice just inexperience.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2018 by Gazc

[damosuzuki]

Thought the tapes were just a bit laggy last night, which contributed a bit to the start issue.

 

Also looked to me like Jack Thomas was rightly raging at being disqualified for the start mix up.

[MANSE]

Ritchie was moving before the tapes went up from where I was sitting

[tyretrax]

7 hours ago, MD said:

Shambolic. Sarjeant should get a fine for that. It was him who came out in the wrong helmet colour then tried to share the same gate as JT. Not for the first time communication between referee and start marshall was non existent which added to the chaos, something we still havent solved after many years.

On a side note Sarjeant looked much more confident in the heat he appeared on a Worrall bike though has a frustrating habit of shaving off his speed coming out of turn four by over straightening rather than let the bike naturally run round.

Do they not have a walkie talkie? every one else seems to.

[Gazc]

1 hour ago, MANSE said:

Ritchie was moving before the tapes went up from where I was sitting

Not from my vantage point he wasn't or maybe I just blinked at the wrong time , point I am making is there appears to be once again no consistency in the interpretation of the rules especially at the tapes.

[jenga]

the rules in speedway have always been a bit foggy, but the offside rule in footy is even more complicated !

in a match today , one player was pulled down in the pen area,, but because the ball was travelling AWAY from the goal. no foul was given .

robbie savage doin his nut in .lol.

Edited May 5, 2018 by jenga

[Paulco]

10 hours ago, MD said:

Shambolic. Sarjeant should get a fine for that. It was him who came out in the wrong helmet colour then tried to share the same gate as JT. Not for the first time communication between referee and start marshall was non existent which added to the chaos, something we still havent solved after many years.

On a side note Sarjeant looked much more confident in the heat he appeared on a Worrall bike though has a frustrating habit of shaving off his speed coming out of turn four by over straightening rather than let the bike naturally run round.

Should a team manager not at least make sure his riders leave the pits with the correct helmet colours on ? Surely that's basic stuff . Do you think that would have happened during Stewart's tenure ? 

Thankfully the meeting was won at that point , but the lack of experience in the managerial capacity is a worry . 

The meeting was very entertaining , good to see Richie and Bomber back to form . Pleased for Chris after the crap aimed in his direction by fans of his other club this week . 

[MANSE]

I think the only time the team manager would get involved with helmet colours would be tactical ride they all have a programme, maybe he should check they have fuel in their tank, tyres on their wheels. Sarjeant was at fault if he was replacing Starke and he should have been excluded

[spin king]

1 hour ago, Paulco said:

Should a team manager not at least make sure his riders leave the pits with the correct helmet colours on ? Surely that's basic stuff . Do you think that would have happened during Stewart's tenure ? 

Thankfully the meeting was won at that point , but the lack of experience in the managerial capacity is a worry . 

The meeting was very entertaining , good to see Richie and Bomber back to form . Pleased for Chris after the crap aimed in his direction by fans of his other club this week . 

Exactly what I thought especially when there has been a tactical switch that the Team Manager has made.

[MANSE]

Surely if James is told he is replacing Paul he should check what gate he was in and helmet cover he should have all in his programme very simple

[Paulco]

33 minutes ago, MANSE said:

Surely if James is told he is replacing Paul he should check what gate he was in and helmet cover he should have all in his programme very simple

Divided opinion then , some blame the rider , me and others blame the team manager . Surely the manager is in charge of what's happening in his side of the pits . Lets just be thankful it happened once the meeting was won , and that it is never repeated 

[Gazc]

17 minutes ago, Paulco said:

Divided opinion then , some blame the rider , me and others blame the team manager . Surely the manager is in charge of what's happening in his side of the pits . Lets just be thankful it happened once the meeting was won , and that it is never repeated 

Team manager should always ensure the basics ie correct helmet colour this is a basic requirement.

 

I do agree with Manse in that the rider should always know what gate he is on programmed ride or not  before leaving the pits, was a pretty ameturish occurrence hopefully never to be repeated.

[mac101]

2 hours ago, MANSE said:

 

2 hours ago, MANSE said:

Surely if James is told he is replacing Paul he should check what gate he was in and helmet cover he should have all in his programme very simple

Sarj was meant to replace jack in ht 14 but because starky pulled out jack was back in and the confusion was who was replacing who but between the manager and the COC who tells the ref what’s happening with rider changes could or should have sorted it before both riders went on track 

[Lioness]

On 5 May 2018 at 8:47 AM, Gazc said:

I would question why both riders were allowed to leave the pits with the same helmet colour rather than fine a rider, but I will agree with you it was shambolic (and just slightly comical).

 

Refereeing standards have dropped alarmingly though do none of these buffoons read the rule book oh wait silly me of course they don't.

It's in the comic err I mean rule book that it is the team managers responsibility to ensure his riders getto tape within the allotted time and wearing the correct helmet colour. Someone posted the regulation a couple of days ago

 

[MANSE]

Don't think he said correct helmet cover it was correct heat and on time I believe

[Owenbros]

The Team Manager is responsible. Paulco is correct the lack of experience is a worry. It is not as though he is new to the sport, its down to paying attention and keeping focused until the racing is done

[tyretrax]

2 hours ago, Owenbros said:

The Team Manager is responsible. Paulco is correct the lack of experience is a worry. It is not as though he is new to the sport, its down to paying attention and keeping focused until the racing is done

Too many distractions and people in the pits.

[Solidmango]

On 07/05/2018 at 1:54 PM, Owenbros said:

The Team Manager is responsible. Paulco is correct the lack of experience is a worry. It is not as though he is new to the sport, its down to paying attention and keeping focused until the racing is done

I don’t think this has anything to do with experience or lack of. Given Jack was already riding injured and it’s not unusual for the ‘stronger’ reserve to come in as a replacement for the ‘weaker’ reserve, I reckon all that’s happened is James wrongly assumed he was replacing Jack when told he was in heat 14. 

 

As a result he’s checked the programme and come out in the wrong coloured helmet and tried to line up in Jack’s gate. 

Its a simple mistake that has been made and who’s to say it wasn’t Cami that spotted the issue first off and sent someone running across the centre green with the correct coloured helmet cover? 

 

Lets be honest, it’s not the first time this has happened and won’t be the last. In my opinion the fact it’s a new manager has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

[tyretrax]

It was announced when he reached the starting gate that he had the wrong colour on.

[Gazc]

4 hours ago, Solidmango said:

I don’t think this has anything to do with experience or lack of. Given Jack was already riding injured and it’s not unusual for the ‘stronger’ reserve to come in as a replacement for the ‘weaker’ reserve, I reckon all that’s happened is James wrongly assumed he was replacing Jack when told he was in heat 14. 

 

As a result he’s checked the programme and come out in the wrong coloured helmet and tried to line up in Jack’s gate. 

Its a simple mistake that has been made and who’s to say it wasn’t Cami that spotted the issue first off and sent someone running across the centre green with the correct coloured helmet cover? 

 

Lets be honest, it’s not the first time this has happened and won’t be the last. In my opinion the fact it’s a new manager has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

Leaving the pits with the wrong helmet colour is the managers responsibility to ensure that a rider is properly prepared for the heat.

To say otherwise is a bit naive, buck stops with him im afraid but as i say if you don't make mistakes you don't learn by them im sure it won't happen again.