BWitcher Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 I think Dean is simply worn down by the politics and the way the sport has been run in this country. Eventually you get to a point where no matter how good something is, you won't want to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar Posted May 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, New Science said: Maybe the Stoke promotion should approach their local council and ask them to build them a new modern purpose built stadium for free. I don't think there is local council in the whole country that would be that foolish! You may perhaps be suggesting that Belle Vue have been given a free stadium but that would be a very inaccurate suggestion. If in doubt about that, ask Chris Morton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burton1 Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 On 07/05/2018 at 4:30 PM, CottonOn said: Actually it's in Chesterton, and for a short period of their history, the team were known as Chesterton. But currently (and for most of their Loomer Road history) the team have taken the name of the nearest city, which is Stoke-On-Trent. Not sure the point of your note, but at least now it's been corrected. Sorry thought Chesterton was in Newcastle under Lyme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I’m not winding anyone up and I didn’t say loomer road was a better venue than NSS I just said it has more sole ... Loony Road certainly stinks like a fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffo Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 On 07/05/2018 at 5:53 PM, fubar said: Thank you for that information, that is most enlightening. But seeing as some riders were already at the starting gate when the shout went out for the C of C to ring the referee, was it not a tad challenging to find and speak to the managers and allow them time to tell their riders that the lights had failed before the tapes went up? It is a little surprising that the start of the heat wasn't delayed to allow sufficient time for the information to be conveyed and assurances provided to the referee that all riders and flag marshals were aware of the defect. And if you could help me just a little more with this, how would the race stoppage be communicated to the flag marshals? Would a signal be made from the referees box or would it rely on the commentator shouting out instructions, assuming that there was still enough electricity left to operate the public address system? You have me there Furber he didn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffo Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 On 07/05/2018 at 5:53 PM, fubar said: Thank you for that information, that is most enlightening. But seeing as some riders were already at the starting gate when the shout went out for the C of C to ring the referee, was it not a tad challenging to find and speak to the managers and allow them time to tell their riders that the lights had failed before the tapes went up? It is a little surprising that the start of the heat wasn't delayed to allow sufficient time for the information to be conveyed and assurances provided to the referee that all riders and flag marshals were aware of the defect. And if you could help me just a little more with this, how would the race stoppage be communicated to the flag marshals? Would a signal be made from the referees box or would it rely on the commentator shouting out instructions, assuming that there was still enough electricity left to operate the public address system? Sorry about the reply earlier my PC suddenly went back to Log In, You have me there Furbar he didn't convey that to me I assume he would have indicated somehow or other to the Start Marshall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BWitcher said: I think Dean is simply worn down by the politics and the way the sport has been run in this country. Eventually you get to a point where no matter how good something is, you won't want to know. While this maybe true about speedway in general my dislike of NSS is because of my hatred of health and safety but I still sat with a blank piece of paper to start with the stadium is very ordinary and not even a modern stadium design Edited May 8, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffo Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 19 hours ago, WalterPlinge said: Shouldn't you be directing those comments about insulting Roy Smallwood at the Stoke management? Imagine having two minutes silence for a member of staff you claim to care about, but then not really caring, by accidentally listing him as one of that night's officials running the meeting!!! Disgraceful, but typical of Stoke. I ont have anything to do with the Programme in anyway but could have been printed to late to remove it but Marvellous how people are latching on to this were you there Walter or just saying what others are saying, but as you say by Accidently including him in the Programme I suppose the Printer has a set Plate of that Page as is the same week after week. But as I have said Previously Roy was a well respected member of the Loomer Road Staff and through his Charity work has Raised Thousands of Pounds the reason for his MBE does not deserve the comment s by People that do not Know anything about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 6 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I’m sure everything you say about the NSS is true but I won’t go, I don’t like it, it’s soleless and a H&S jizz fest and although the track is amazing I just feel about the stadium is they had a blank piece of paper and that’s the best you could come up with ? I guess I compare it to polish new stadiums which have sole and create atmosphere even when they are half full , my problem with stoke is one person, yes the generator issues need to be fixed but the fact is I have been to stoke twice this season and I have no desire to attend the NSS This is what I had to say yesterday : PS I must admit I am wondering why I bother going elsewhere when Belle Vue is the closest to my home . There was more passing in one race here than in all 30 at Workington and Berwick over the weekend. At about two-thirds full there was plenty of atmosphere in the South Stand and, at least in part due to extraordinary efforts of Belle Vue's remarkable mascot, I'd be surprised if there wasn't quite a bit in the Grandstand. I have a lot of time for your views, always have. But to refuse to go to what is, I believe, pretty much universally acknowledged as the best racing track in the country - Peter Adams was saying only yesterday how all the riders love it - simply because of H& S is plain daft and to prefer Stoke borders on insanity. Still, your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: This is what I had to say yesterday : PS I must admit I am wondering why I bother going elsewhere when Belle Vue is the closest to my home . There was more passing in one race here than in all 30 at Workington and Berwick over the weekend. At about two-thirds full there was plenty of atmosphere in the South Stand and, at least in part due to extraordinary efforts of Belle Vue's remarkable mascot, I'd be surprised if there wasn't quite a bit in the Grandstand. I have a lot of time for your views, always have. But to refuse to go to what is, I believe, pretty much universally acknowledged as the best racing track in the country - Peter Adams was saying only yesterday how all the riders love it - simply because of H& S is plain daft and to prefer Stoke borders on insanity. Still, your choice. Again I haven’t said anything bad about the track, it’s brilliant, I don’t pay my money to be told how to walk ,talk, drink,stand sit and to be generally treated like someone who doesn’t understand how to live without dying every day , the London stadium is exactly the same and im in no rush to go back there either . Insane I may be but doesn’t change the fact that I have no intrest in going to the NSS but I may go to stoke again this year and if one person would disappear I might even try to help the club Edited May 8, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar Posted May 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 4 hours ago, bruno said: PS I'm going to Stoke Saturday hope I get the same experience Well, you'll certainly have an experience but I'm not sure I'd classify it as pleasant. I've just had it on good authority that the management at Gloomy Road are asking all spectators to bring a torch with them and then when the lights go out, they can all shine them on the track. It'll be a bit like a Barry Manilow concert but without the singing. If you survive, Bruno, do please report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Will do Fubar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, fubar said: ... the management at Gloomy Road are asking all spectators to bring a torch with them and then when the lights go out, they can all shine them on the track.... I thought that was what the car headlights on the back straight embankment were for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 11 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: While stoke may not be perfect and does have a issues I would still rather go to stoke than the Health & safety hell hole that is the NSS and indeed do, the NSS has a great track but to be told you can’t do this or can’t do that and you can’t go here or there ,I’ve been twice , once for a buxton meeting where we were treated like cattle by the stewards and the second time as a mechanic where you are given an envelope containing do’s and dont’s , the place is soleless and that’s something stoke has , bring back Kirky lane at least it had sole Dean, if you'd posted this about eighteen months ago then I would have totally agreed with you. I went to the NSS a couple of times in 2016 and was taken aback at how overbearing the officials were there. Plus, the meetings I saw that year were not particularly good and it left me feeling that the dog track was a far better venue. Having said that, I've been to a few meetings there since the takeover last year and the difference is massive. The staff their are far more friendly and the meetings I've seen have been exceptional - yesterdays meeting being brilliant with some terrific action, a great atmosphere and a large crowd - so I an now gladly admit I was wrong. Its a shame that Stoke has deteriorated to the level it has, as I've seen some great racing at Loomer Road in years gone by as well. If there was ever a club that needed new life injected into it then its Stoke. However, you're more likely to attract the interest of a first timer by taking them to Belle Vue than you would to Stoke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 I didn't go to Stoke last year mainly because of the consistently poor track preparation I'd seen from (at least) the previous 2 seasons. I've been to both meetings this season and the track does actually seem better! They've obviously made an effort to improve the watering as the massive clouds of dust are not present and as far as I can tell it doesn't seem as rough. That said, you still get way too many riders falling. I think this must be something to do with the shape or comparative narrowness of the bends. In that sense it is not a 3rd division track as young riders learning their trade do seem to struggle to get around it, if they go wide they tend to slide off straight away. Problems with the electrics yet again are inexcusable. Fix it once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar Posted May 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, uk_martin said: I thought that was what the car headlights on the back straight embankment were for... Funny thing is before proceedings got under way last week, the bod in the box was banging on to the assembled masses that if anyone parked on the back straight and left while racing was still going on, then under no circumstances must they apply the brakes until they were through the stadium gates. The bod then droned on that if riders saw a red light out of the corner of their eye then they might think that the race had been stopped and this could cause a very nasty accident! I'm not entirely sure that the bod will be pontificating in the same vein before tapes up at this week's jamboree because they might be quite grateful if some of the spectators can provide red lights as well as headlights when the Prince of Darkness flips the off switch again. Edited May 9, 2018 by fubar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 13 hours ago, Stoke Potter said: That said, you still get way too many riders falling. I think this must be something to do with the shape or comparative narrowness of the bends. In that sense it is not a 3rd division track as young riders learning their trade do seem to struggle to get around it, if they go wide they tend to slide off straight away. A couple of years ago, I was with an MDL rider who fell off because he got his foot in a hole. And last year, I walked out onto the track, and was horrified at the state of it: it was like broken-up concrete. It seemed a bit better whe I visited last month, but not by much. When the home heat leaders keep falling, there is something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar Posted May 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 22 hours ago, griffo said: I ont have anything to do with the Programme in anyway but could have been printed to late to remove it but Marvellous how people are latching on to this were you there Walter or just saying what others are saying, but as you say by Accidently including him in the Programme I suppose the Printer has a set Plate of that Page as is the same week after week. But as I have said Previously Roy was a well respected member of the Loomer Road Staff and through his Charity work has Raised Thousands of Pounds the reason for his MBE does not deserve the comment s by People that do not Know anything about him I'm sure Roy Smallwood was a great guy and as you say the work he did for charity has to be applauded. But to have him still listed on the Stoke website as an active official is pretty shoddy. I see that Gary Towers is listed on the website as being a member of the track staff. I am hopeful that this must be a different Gary Towers to the one who passed away early in 2017 after battling cancer. Even the Gloomy Road mob can't be so insensitive to keep listing a man as being on duty over a year after he departed this world so somebody please tell me that the guy that is listed is his brother or his son and restore my faith in the management at the Theatre of Light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 On 07/05/2018 at 5:27 PM, adonis said: Absolutely , however SCB/BSPA inspections from previous experience normally focus their attention on lining their pockets by way of fines with money the clubs don't have , see (Milton Keynes for evidence of that ) the end result is a perfectly safe track because speedway has closed down and bangers frequent it , I am sure that we can all agree that a promotion who risk riders lives by having faulty electrics - and, lets face it, this is anything but the first time - deserves to be heavily punished. I really don't see that a club being unable to afford a fine for an act of gross negligence and irresponsibility is any reason not to impose a financial penalty. The alternative, of course, is to allow them to get away scot free and continue to behave in exactly the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 These posts are doing my confidence no good for Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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