Wolves V's Kings Lynn Stars. Mon 30-04-2018

[Daniel Smith]

The 1 rider over 8 was for the initial team declaration only. After a team has reach their first greensheets (4h 4a) you can have as many riders over 8 as you wish within the 42.5 points limit or like for like replacement. 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

2 hours ago, Call me wolfie said:

That's my understanding aswell but I was under the impression that the 1 over 8 rule was only for initial team declarations. Currently BV have 2 riders averaging over 8 and Wolves have 3. After the new GSA's are released after 4h and 4a meetings what's to stop a team making a like for like change of one of these riders as that is allowed within the rules without redeclaring

Revised green sheet averages have already been released

4 home 4 away no longer being applied (apart from non 2017 riders)

Back to 20 meeting rolling averages including 2017 meetings

Edited May 2, 2018 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv

[Bagpuss]

40 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

The 1 rider over 8 was for the initial team declaration only. After a team has reach their first greensheets (4h 4a) you can have as many riders over 8 as you wish within the 42.5 points limit or like for like replacement. 

Really? That's asking for average manipulation is it not?

Might explain Poole's slow start.

[Call me wolfie]

???

Where ate these averages, speedway GB show current GSA with only this year's meetings included 

[NeilWatson]

6 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said:

???

Where ate these averages, speedway GB show current GSA with only this year's meetings included 

http://www.speedwaygb.co/files/downloads/p18_gs_issue_2.pdf

[Call me wolfie]

Thanks

[Daniel Smith]

17 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Really? That's asking for average manipulation is it not?

Might explain Poole's slow start.

Absolutely, currently Poole averages show they can replace Shanes with Holder and Holder's average is less than 8.

But there is also a rule that is 'in the best interests of British Speedway'. I'm pretty sure if a team tried to re-declare with 9+9+9+6+4+3.5+2 the BSPA would throw it out 

[Call me wolfie]

No, all riders who weren't here last year are are still listed as their starting average as they haven't completed the necessary number of meetings for a rolling average. If indeed these rolling averages are being used Poole are the major losers from it as their riders averages for this year total 37.79 where as their rolling averages over 20 meetings total 41.2. (Due to 4 riders still on their startimg average). Thats a major difference

[Call me wolfie]

Still infatuated with Wolves I see

[stevebrum]

8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

The 1 rider over 8 was for the initial team declaration only. After a team has reach their first greensheets (4h 4a) you can have as many riders over 8 as you wish within the 42.5 points limit or like for like replacement. 

Can you show me the rule that confirms that then,  thanks. 

2 hours ago, Call me wolfie said:

Still infatuated with Wolves I see

And still making guff up.

[Daniel Smith]

15 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

Can you show me the rule that confirms that then,  thanks. 

And still making guff up.

You know as we all do that not everything is in the rule book.

[stevebrum]

9 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

You know as we all do that not everything is in the rule book.

So it could be true or not then.

At least the averages issue is clear, for today at least.

16.2.1.4 Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a rolling basis on all eligible meetings, up to

and including 23rd of the month to become effective from the 1

st of the following month. 

16.2.1.5 NDL Established MA’s are issued when a Rider completes 4 NL Meetings (irrespective of

whether home or away) to be effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting.

16.2.1.6 A SGB Premiership or Championship assessed League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home

and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an

Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1

st May, then the MC may issue a revised

MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares.

16.2.1.7 A NDL rider, who is not in an NDL Team Declaration will be given an Established MA after

completing 4 Meetings, irrespective of being home or away.

[Starman2006]

11 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

So it could be true or not then.

At least the averages issue is clear, for today at least.

16.2.1.4 Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a rolling basis on all eligible meetings, up to

and including 23rd of the month to become effective from the 1

st of the following month. 

16.2.1.5 NDL Established MA’s are issued when a Rider completes 4 NL Meetings (irrespective of

whether home or away) to be effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting.

16.2.1.6 A SGB Premiership or Championship assessed League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home

and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an

Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1

st May, then the MC may issue a revised

MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares.

16.2.1.7 A NDL rider, who is not in an NDL Team Declaration will be given an Established MA after

completing 4 Meetings, irrespective of being home or away.

Steve, you've found the Wolves thread, congratulations..

[stevebrum]

27 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

Steve, you've found the Wolves thread, congratulations..

Haven't you got your own team thread to post on? 

[foreverblue]

7 minutes ago, Fred Flange said:

You posted that it was Adams who told you at a forum about the gp 9.00 bollox? Oh dear have you started forgetting what you posted again? Ha ha!

I am sure most of us wish you would forget your password!

[New Science]

Amazing after 7 pages everybody is arguing over rules and averages and not one person has commented on the quality of speedway. sums the sport up

[stevebrum]

12 hours ago, Fred Flange said:

You posted that it was Adams who told you at a forum about the gp 9.00 bollox? Oh dear have you started forgetting what you posted again? Ha ha!

Oh dear.  The post was in reply to the one over  rule, nothing at all to do with the GP assessed 9 rule that seemed to have been ignored at all.  I grant you facts aren't your strongest characteristic. Did you forget about Zagar's tweet? 

Adams told the room, not me. Even Ford mentioned it in relation to Pawlicki. Ha ha!

 

[stevebrum]

3 hours ago, Fred Flange said:

You poor thing, not only forgetting something you posted several times as recently as when you were trolling the poole 2018 thread but also forgetting that zagar isn't riding here because nobody can afford the £4grand a meeting, which was only mentioned the other day!!

Typical brum arrogance, of course Adams lied to the whole room and not just you, that is how a forum works, derrrr??

#pray for brum. Sometimes in life you get what you deserve and sometimes you don't, on top of everything else brum now has memory loss, shame.

 

Says the troll who was discussing the GP 9 point (supposed) rule on the 1 over 8 rule. 

Must read Zagar's tweets more often. Ha ha!

It must be a lonely world you live in. Anyway,  such is life. 

[Daniel Smith]

Just for confirmation for Stevebrum

18.5 TEAM COMPOSITION

18.5.1 A SGB Premiership Team’s initial Declaration must not exceed 42.50 and may include ONLY one rider with an MA of 8.00 or above.

[stevebrum]

3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Just for confirmation for Stevebrum

18.5 TEAM COMPOSITION

18.5.1 A SGB Premiership Team’s initial Declaration must not exceed 42.50 and may include ONLY one rider with an MA of 8.00 or above.

That's clarity that we'll all knew.

Bringing in riders over 8 during the season? ??