Bald Bloke Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Be madness to replace Schlein, even with Lindgren. Schlein is always consistent and very reliable. If Wolverhampton wants Lindgren back in it would have to be Thorsell that goes. Schlein adds so much more to the team than just being a rider scoring points. He puts his heart and soul into every club he represents. I'd say it would be cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: I'd say it would be cruel. But not possible so not even a valid point to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 15 hours ago, tellboy said: 15.8.1 If the Referee stops a heat, following an incident or accident, where the rider causing the stoppage and his team partner were in third and fourth place and a re-run is called with one of those riders excluded, the Referee has the sole discretion to order that the remaining team partner will start on a 15 metre handicap in gate position c or d (the opposing team does not change positions). Doesn't say anything about not clearing the track. I think the rule is there to cover a number of options - (a) riders staying down deliberately, (b) where the remaining rider is adrift of the 2 riders in front. It only seems fair to me in these 2 options that the referee should have the discretion not to penalise the riders in front by allowing the remaining opponent to get back on level terms in the rerun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, stevebrum said: But not possible so not even a valid point to discuss. I didn't realise Steve. I don't look at the rule book. It's hard enough working out what feet to put my shoes on in the mornings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, stevebrum said: But not possible so not even a valid point to discuss. Why is that? However, I agree, pointless discussion as it would never happen barring injury. Edited May 1, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 hours ago, BWitcher said: No, people said if we end up with Schlein as our No 1 at season end, we'll be absolutely nowhere. I still stand by that. He's riding at No 4 at present. It's not at home where the questions needs to be answered, it's on the road.. where at the first time of asking, we didn't come up with the goods. Long way to go yet though and more positives than negatives so far on the season. I suggest you reread the thread, all I said was Rory was the most likely to challenge Jacob for the no 1 spot, and you said you couldn't believe I picked Rory over Sam. At no point did I say Rory was our best rider, although on current form he arguably is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: I suggest you reread the thread, all I said was Rory was the most likely to challenge Jacob for the no 1 spot, and you said you couldn't believe I picked Rory over Sam. At no point did I say Rory was our best rider, although on current form he arguably is Fair enough, over the course of the season I stand by that. If Schlein is elevated to Number 1, it's a lot tougher. Could be some swapping around as the season goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Fair enough, over the course of the season I stand by that. If Schlein is elevated to Number 1, it's a lot tougher. Could be some swapping around as the season goes on. It's certainly going to be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: I didn't realise Steve. I don't look at the rule book. It's hard enough working out what feet to put my shoes on in the mornings That's assuming the rules are the same as the start of the season of course! 5 hours ago, BWitcher said: Why is that? However, I agree, pointless discussion as it would never happen barring injury. One rider over 8 rule. If hypothetically Schlein becomes our number one and Jacob drops below 8 it still wouldn't be permitted. Assuming again that the BSPA stick to the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: That's assuming the rules are the same as the start of the season of course! One rider over 8 rule. If hypothetically Schlein becomes our number one and Jacob drops below 8 it still wouldn't be permitted. Assuming again that the BSPA stick to the rules. Wasn't it established that rule never even existed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Wasn't it established that rule never even existed? It wasn't established at all. Why would some promoters and riders mention it if it wasn't true? Either way there is no conclusive evidence that it was or wasn't. Zagar mentioned it in a tweet and I was present at the talk in that Pete Adams discussed it. Another of those rules that they might use of its 'in the best interest of British speedway' rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, stevebrum said: It wasn't established at all. Why would some promoters and riders mention it if it wasn't true? Either way there is no conclusive evidence that it was or wasn't. Zagar mentioned it in a tweet and I was present at the talk in that Pete Adams discussed it. Another of those rules that they might use of its 'in the best interest of British speedway' rules. If it exists, it would be in the rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, BWitcher said: If it exists, it would be in the rules. Since when has anything important been included in the rules? ? They are already changing the rules on the new rolling averages. Nothing is ever clear or actual. Ford has already said he would have used Piotr if he hadn't been reassessed to 9, PA confirmed Piotr had asked for his name to be circulated. Zagar has already mentioned that he had been ruled out of Britain due to being reassessed as a GP rider on a 9. Adams said Woffy was considering a return till he was ruled out by the GP 9 point ruling. Seems to have been dropped after a very short time. As it stands it's yet again open to interpretation what averages riders would come back into the league on. The usual bumblings from the BSPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, stevebrum said: Since when has anything important been included in the rules? ? They are already changing the rules on the new rolling averages. Nothing is ever clear or actual. Ford has already said he would have used Piotr if he hadn't been reassessed to 9, PA confirmed Piotr had asked for his name to be circulated. Zagar has already mentioned that he had been ruled out of Britain due to being reassessed as a GP rider on a 9. Adams said Woffy was considering a return till he was ruled out by the GP 9 point ruling. Seems to have been dropped after a very short time. As it stands it's yet again open to interpretation what averages riders would come back into the league on. The usual bumblings from the BSPA. "British Speedway's Premiership will be ran on two fixed nights on Monday and Wednesday to avoid clashes with Championship clubs" "British Speedway's Premiership will now be ran on three fixed nights, Monday and Wednesday and Thursday which will now clash with Championship clubs" "Riders must not get off their bikes at the tapes and prepare their start area".... "Riders can now get off their bikes at the tapes and prepare their start area"... "We won't be using rolling averages this season".... "We will be using rolling averages this season"... "To me Barry".. "To you Paul"... "To you Barry" "To me Paul".... "To you"... "To me"... "To you"... "To me".... etc etc etc for the next six months... British Speedway, sponsored by Chucklevision... Edited May 2, 2018 by mikebv 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 I'm confused. I thought the one over eight rule was very much present but the reassessment of GP riders was the phantom rule which was only talked about but not confirmed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 8 hours ago, stevebrum said: 'in the best interest of British speedway' rules. I thought that this was THE rule that trumps all others and allows for referees / promoters / a fan who stopped going in 1999 to decide " what is in the best interests of British speedway". They have been doing this for at least 20 years now and the result is - well, we all know that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I'm confused. I thought the one over eight rule was very much present but the reassessment of GP riders was the phantom rule which was only talked about but not confirmed? To confuse things even more, it's what averages certain riders like Woffinden, Zagar, Pawlicki etc. could now return on, and then also teams who no longer have an 8+ rider, can they now sign an over 8 rider or are they still restricted as they had started with one previously? It's all abit messy with no real answers forthcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I'm confused. I thought the one over eight rule was very much present but the reassessment of GP riders was the phantom rule which was only talked about but not confirmed? That's my understanding aswell but I was under the impression that the 1 over 8 rule was only for initial team declarations. Currently BV have 2 riders averaging over 8 and Wolves have 3. After the new GSA's are released after 4h and 4a meetings what's to stop a team making a like for like change of one of these riders as that is allowed within the rules without redeclaring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: That's my understanding aswell but I was under the impression that the 1 over 8 rule was only for initial team declarations. Currently BV have 2 riders averaging over 8 and Wolves have 3. After the new GSA's are released after 4h and 4a meetings what's to stop a team making a like for like change of one of these riders as that is allowed within the rules without redeclaring That's where the issue will really come into effect - if a team wants to re-declare by replacing one rider over 8 with another, but also have a second rider over 8. Will they be prevented from doing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I'm confused. I thought the one over eight rule was very much present but the reassessment of GP riders was the phantom rule which was only talked about but not confirmed? I think you're right. Tbh, I've given up these days even trying to work it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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