ray c Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I did not know that Ray to be honest one of the problems we have in speedway are clubs not owning the stadiums.I don't if i am right on this and if Poole are the same as Swindon i think Swindon get none of the parking money / drinks food revenue and maybe even the programmes maybe ER or Grachan would know if that is correct.?? Not sure how it works but stadia UK runs the car park and food outlets at Poole but I'm sure someone will tell I'm wrong !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 I hope Swindon drop back down next season as they will have no other option as no chance as I stands of ever racing on a Wednesday with the dog racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Can you not ride Monday night after the dogs. Wolves manage it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 hours ago, A ORLOV said: The speedway get the prog money but none of the other income you mentioned. 2 hours ago, A ORLOV said: The speedway get the prog money but none of the other income you mentioned. Thanks ORLOV god those owners don't half screw the promotion annoying really because the club we all love has done a hell of a job surviving every year since 1949. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 hours ago, jeffster said: Thoughts ? A certain south coast promoter ballsed it up ! Colin Pratt went on record in the Speedway Star to say that it was had been agreed with the ISL (International Speedway League, a body that formulates fixtures between the UK, Poland, Sweden and Denmark) that the UK would move to Monday and Thursday for racing at Elite League level... Hey Presto, at the next BSPA meeting, The Pirate one kicked up a fuss, and it became Monday and Wednesday ! Your thoughts on guests doesnt stack up, either - Dont forget that a speedway meeting needs TWO teams, so, should any of Swindon's opposition need a guest, they also have a bigger pool to pick from on Thursdays ! I thought the Championship promoters voted against Thursdays and as they have more members? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Monday and Thursdays is clearly out of the question, since Sheffield, Ipswich and Redcar are all Thursday night tracks in the Championship. Swindon should fall into line with everyone else. They blatantly can ride on a Monday evening. Ridiculous that Lewis Rose is not at Redcar tonight, on a set Championship race-night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, lucifer sam said: Ridiculous that Lewis Rose is not at Redcar tonight, on a set Championship race-night. He won't be at Redcar because he is injured and as he is an asset of KL they have "first dibs" on him anyway - nothing ridiculous about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Steve0 said: He won't be at Redcar because he is injured and as he is an asset of KL they have "first dibs" on him anyway - nothing ridiculous about it! Didn't realise he was now injured, but the point stands on priority. Premiership: Monday and Wednesday. Championship: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Why should a championship team be missing a rider, because a Premiership fixture is taking place on the wrong day? Swindon should be given a clear choice next year to stick to the set days, or drop down a league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: Personally I think it's wrong/unfair that swindon are allowed to race Thursdays. If anything happens to any of the riders (hope it doesnt) and they need to have a guest they will have a bigger pool of riders to choose from unlike the rest who are limited because of set nights. Tnoughts Apparently Matt Ford insisted Swindon ride on Thursdays at Blunsdon ....... rather than Wednesdays at Poole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, lucifer sam said: Didn't realise he was now injured, but the point stands on priority. Premiership: Monday and Wednesday. Championship: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Why should a championship team be missing a rider, because a Premiership fixture is taking place on the wrong day? Swindon should be given a clear choice next year to stick to the set days, or drop down a league. We've had to forego 2 Thursday night racing, (our reserved rain off nights) due to Swindon grabbing them first and as the fixtures would have been against lakeside, we've had to rearrange for Saturday night as half lakeside team rides for Swindon. So Rob I agree, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Poole only proposed Wednesdays (rather than Thursdays) when there was an impasse at the AGM because 2 Championship clubs -I assume Ipswich and Redcar - threatened not to run if they weren't allowed Thursdays!! Thursdays have always been Poole's official 'rain-off' day so no issues for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) I would have assumed that those negotiating the fixed nights would have ensured that the Thursday CL teams were in agreement and prepared to change their race days or, move up to the PL, before they agreed Monday and Thursday for the UK PL with the FIM. It would appear that either, they didn't do that or, the CL teams reneged on the agreement and we ended up with Wednesday when Denmark have precedence. Whatever the circumstance you can't blame Swindon. Edited April 19, 2018 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 8 hours ago, jeffster said: Thoughts ? A certain south coast promoter ballsed it up ! Colin Pratt went on record in the Speedway Star to say that it was had been agreed with the ISL (International Speedway League, a body that formulates fixtures between the UK, Poland, Sweden and Denmark) that the UK would move to Monday and Thursday for racing at Elite League level... Hey Presto, at the next BSPA meeting, The Pirate one kicked up a fuss, and it became Monday and Wednesday ! Your thoughts on guests doesnt stack up, either - Dont forget that a speedway meeting needs TWO teams, so, should any of Swindon's opposition need a guest, they also have a bigger pool to pick from on Thursdays ! You couldn't be more wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Poole only proposed Wednesdays (rather than Thursdays) when there was an impasse at the AGM because 2 Championship clubs -I assume Ipswich and Redcar - threatened not to run if they weren't allowed Thursdays!! Thursdays have always been Poole's official 'rain-off' day so no issues for them. The Premiership should have gone Monday - Thursday allowed the Championship clubs to also run those night's but they'd have to forego the priority rights to rider's signed up to Premiership clubs. With the Premiership the flagship league they should always hold the priority regardless of assets etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 There will never be a good solution to it & it will be interesting what happens to Swindon next season if they are told Thursday’s are out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 14 hours ago, sugarray said: You couldn't be more wrong. Really ? Odd that Colin went on record in the Speedway Star then, and that the Star printed it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Aces51 said: I would have assumed that those negotiating the fixed nights would have ensured that the Thursday CL teams were in agreement and prepared to change their race days or, move up to the PL, before they agreed Monday and Thursday for the UK PL with the FIM. It would appear that either, they didn't do that or, the CL teams reneged on the agreement and we ended up with Wednesday when Denmark have precedence. Whatever the circumstance you can't blame Swindon. I think it is more a case of Britain claiming Monday and Thursday as all of the other race nights were already taken, rather than there being any meaningful discussion about their feasibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 hours ago, jeffster said: Really ? Odd that Colin went on record in the Speedway Star then, and that the Star printed it.... Well other promoters who attended have a different account. You can keep blaming Poole though bet they don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble53 Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 On 19/04/2018 at 11:05 AM, MattK said: For years, various people, fans, promoters etc. said that fixed race nights wouldn't work in Britain because clubs didn't own their stadiums and that availability is limited. This was despite the obvious advantages that fixed race nights offered in terms of reducing clashes and potentially encouraging back the top riders. Last year we saw the BSPA actually grasp the nettle and actually make a positive decision. Monday and Wednesday was always the most obviously choice as it mean limiting disruption to both Premiership and Championship clubs, however given that not all clubs own their stadiums and that availability is limited is was unlikely all clubs would be able to achieve this from day one. I think the solution, to allow Swindon to race half their home meetings on a Thursday, while all other clubs move to the fixed nights is the ideal compromise for the first season of fixed nights. Hopefully over time Swindon will be able to reach an agreement to allow us to fall in line with the rest of the league. In terms of advantage, as Grachan says, this is available to both teams, so Swindon will have no more of a pool than their opponent. On 19/04/2018 at 10:38 AM, Grachan said: Everyone should have been riding on Thursdays. That was the day that was set to be reserved for British racing but everyone else went with Wednesday because they are Ipswich and Poole's poodles. Incidentally, their opposition on a Thursday will also have more choice of guests if needed, so where's the advantage? Don't think it had anything to do with compromise or curly haired dogs, more like the 11 championship clubs out voting the 8 Premiership clubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, womble53 said: Don't think it had anything to do with compromise or curly haired dogs, more like the 11 championship clubs out voting the 8 Premiership clubs Lakeside not included at that time Peterborough didnt attend Leicester/Sheffield would be a block vote and hold the balance of power between the 2 divisions (if there were a straight split) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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